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Yo-Yoing is shunned upon as you are basically taking a Dead Bunker for example and filling it with lead rods or lead weight and basically sinking it to the bottom with the hopes of a Striper taking it.
Many times a Striper has taken this bait whole and if your line parts/breaks, this Bass will die as it cannot digest a bunker full of lead!
Many times a Striper has taken this bait whole and if your line parts/breaks, this Bass will die as it cannot digest a bunker full of lead!
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You guys have the part about the fish dying wrong. many big bass have been caught that have the lead weights still in their belly, just like you find lobster & crab shells in their bellies. AFAIK, No one has ever proved that fish that break off the lead weights die.
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MakoMike wrote:
You guys have the part about the fish dying wrong. many big bass have been caught that have the lead weights still in their belly, just like you find lobster & crab shells in their bellies. AFAIK, No one has ever proved that fish that break off the lead weights die.
Are you saying that lead in the gut is not bad?
You guys have the part about the fish dying wrong. many big bass have been caught that have the lead weights still in their belly, just like you find lobster & crab shells in their bellies. AFAIK, No one has ever proved that fish that break off the lead weights die.
Are you saying that lead in the gut is not bad?
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MisterX wrote:
Nikoli wrote:
bad idea. If the rig breaks the fish dies.
If a Bass can survive all the mercury poisoning and PCBs from the Hudson you honestly think a sinker in its belly will kill it?
Thats just too funny.......
I'm not saying it would die from lead posing. Your assuming one would use a lead sinker. How about a piece of re-bar/spark plug/rocks or anything else to get the dead fish to float right. What about the barbeque skewer? That's easy to injest right?
Nikoli wrote:
bad idea. If the rig breaks the fish dies.
If a Bass can survive all the mercury poisoning and PCBs from the Hudson you honestly think a sinker in its belly will kill it?
Thats just too funny.......
I'm not saying it would die from lead posing.
Your assuming one would use a lead sinker. How about a piece of re-bar/spark plug/rocks or anything else to get the dead fish to float right. What about the barbeque skewer? That's easy to injest right?
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Read this from the WSJ in Response to that article.
Link to WSJ
Fair Treatment for Striped Bass!
September 10, 2008; Page A14
No one in their right mind could condone a technique that would result in stuffing a breeding-sized striped bass with lead weights, wooden skewers or hog rings, because that is indeed what happens time and time again when these fish steal the bait or break the line during their fight for freedom ("For Massachusetts Fishermen, a Weighty Debate About Fair Play," page one, Aug. 22). Many fishermen have reported finding or catching fish with weights in their bellies or skewers stuck in their intestines or lodged in their throats. Representing that commercial fishers resort to the technique because their competitors are doing it is disingenuous at best. It is simply an extension of the "everything that swims is my property" philosophy that has characterized many commercial fishermen for generations.
Three million recreational anglers who seek out striped bass each year would beg to differ and have challenged the Atlantic States Marines Fisheries Commission to manage these fish for their highest and best purpose, which is to provide sport and food for the angling public. Approximately half of the states along the East Coast already treat striped bass as game fish, which means that their commercial harvest is prohibited. Attempting to justify the barbarous technique of yo-yoing is akin to defending the now forbidden practice of shooting flocks of sleeping wildfowl with a cannon. Those ducks and geese were judged to be the property of the citizenry. It's high time striped bass received the same treatment.
George Watson
Vice President
Stripers Forever
South Portland, Maine
This post edited by Nikoli 04:17 PM 09/10/2008
Link to WSJ
Fair Treatment for Striped Bass!
September 10, 2008; Page A14
No one in their right mind could condone a technique that would result in stuffing a breeding-sized striped bass with lead weights, wooden skewers or hog rings, because that is indeed what happens time and time again when these fish steal the bait or break the line during their fight for freedom ("For Massachusetts Fishermen, a Weighty Debate About Fair Play," page one, Aug. 22). Many fishermen have reported finding or catching fish with weights in their bellies or skewers stuck in their intestines or lodged in their throats. Representing that commercial fishers resort to the technique because their competitors are doing it is disingenuous at best. It is simply an extension of the "everything that swims is my property" philosophy that has characterized many commercial fishermen for generations.
Three million recreational anglers who seek out striped bass each year would beg to differ and have challenged the Atlantic States Marines Fisheries Commission to manage these fish for their highest and best purpose, which is to provide sport and food for the angling public. Approximately half of the states along the East Coast already treat striped bass as game fish, which means that their commercial harvest is prohibited. Attempting to justify the barbarous technique of yo-yoing is akin to defending the now forbidden practice of shooting flocks of sleeping wildfowl with a cannon. Those ducks and geese were judged to be the property of the citizenry. It's high time striped bass received the same treatment.
George Watson
Vice President
Stripers Forever
South Portland, Maine
This post edited by Nikoli 04:17 PM 09/10/2008
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Nikoli wrote:
Read this from the WSJ in Response to that article.
Link to WSJ
Fair Treatment for Striped Bass!
September 10, 2008; Page A14
No one in their right mind could condone a technique that would result in stuffing a breeding-sized striped bass with lead weights, wooden skewers or hog rings, because that is indeed what happens time and time again when these fish steal the bait or break the line during their fight for freedom ("For Massachusetts Fishermen, a Weighty Debate About Fair Play," page one, Aug. 22). Many fishermen have reported finding or catching fish with weights in their bellies or skewers stuck in their intestines or lodged in their throats. Representing that commercial fishers resort to the technique because their competitors are doing it is disingenuous at best. It is simply an extension of the "everything that swims is my property" philosophy that has characterized many commercial fishermen for generations.
Three million recreational anglers who seek out striped bass each year would beg to differ and have challenged the Atlantic States Marines Fisheries Commission to manage these fish for their highest and best purpose, which is to provide sport and food for the angling public. Approximately half of the states along the East Coast already treat striped bass as game fish, which means that their commercial harvest is prohibited. Attempting to justify the barbarous technique of yo-yoing is akin to defending the now forbidden practice of shooting flocks of sleeping wildfowl with a cannon. Those ducks and geese were judged to be the property of the citizenry. It's high time striped bass received the same treatment.
George Watson
Vice President
Stripers Forever
South Portland, Maine
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
Read this from the WSJ in Response to that article.
Link to WSJ
Fair Treatment for Striped Bass!
September 10, 2008; Page A14
No one in their right mind could condone a technique that would result in stuffing a breeding-sized striped bass with lead weights, wooden skewers or hog rings, because that is indeed what happens time and time again when these fish steal the bait or break the line during their fight for freedom ("For Massachusetts Fishermen, a Weighty Debate About Fair Play," page one, Aug. 22). Many fishermen have reported finding or catching fish with weights in their bellies or skewers stuck in their intestines or lodged in their throats. Representing that commercial fishers resort to the technique because their competitors are doing it is disingenuous at best. It is simply an extension of the "everything that swims is my property" philosophy that has characterized many commercial fishermen for generations.
Three million recreational anglers who seek out striped bass each year would beg to differ and have challenged the Atlantic States Marines Fisheries Commission to manage these fish for their highest and best purpose, which is to provide sport and food for the angling public. Approximately half of the states along the East Coast already treat striped bass as game fish, which means that their commercial harvest is prohibited. Attempting to justify the barbarous technique of yo-yoing is akin to defending the now forbidden practice of shooting flocks of sleeping wildfowl with a cannon. Those ducks and geese were judged to be the property of the citizenry. It's high time striped bass received the same treatment.
George Watson
Vice President
Stripers Forever
South Portland, Maine
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
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MakoMike wrote:
Nikoli wrote:
Read this from the WSJ in Response to that article.
Link to WSJ
Fair Treatment for Striped Bass!
September 10, 2008; Page A14
No one in their right mind could condone a technique that would result in stuffing a breeding-sized striped bass with lead weights, wooden skewers or hog rings, because that is indeed what happens time and time again when these fish steal the bait or break the line during their fight for freedom ("For Massachusetts Fishermen, a Weighty Debate About Fair Play," page one, Aug. 22). Many fishermen have reported finding or catching fish with weights in their bellies or skewers stuck in their intestines or lodged in their throats. Representing that commercial fishers resort to the technique because their competitors are doing it is disingenuous at best. It is simply an extension of the "everything that swims is my property" philosophy that has characterized many commercial fishermen for generations.
Three million recreational anglers who seek out striped bass each year would beg to differ and have challenged the Atlantic States Marines Fisheries Commission to manage these fish for their highest and best purpose, which is to provide sport and food for the angling public. Approximately half of the states along the East Coast already treat striped bass as game fish, which means that their commercial harvest is prohibited. Attempting to justify the barbarous technique of yo-yoing is akin to defending the now forbidden practice of shooting flocks of sleeping wildfowl with a cannon. Those ducks and geese were judged to be the property of the citizenry. It's high time striped bass received the same treatment.
George Watson
Vice President
Stripers Forever
South Portland, Maine
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
they have my vote.......
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Nikoli wrote:
Read this from the WSJ in Response to that article.
Link to WSJ
Fair Treatment for Striped Bass!
September 10, 2008; Page A14
No one in their right mind could condone a technique that would result in stuffing a breeding-sized striped bass with lead weights, wooden skewers or hog rings, because that is indeed what happens time and time again when these fish steal the bait or break the line during their fight for freedom ("For Massachusetts Fishermen, a Weighty Debate About Fair Play," page one, Aug. 22). Many fishermen have reported finding or catching fish with weights in their bellies or skewers stuck in their intestines or lodged in their throats. Representing that commercial fishers resort to the technique because their competitors are doing it is disingenuous at best. It is simply an extension of the "everything that swims is my property" philosophy that has characterized many commercial fishermen for generations.
Three million recreational anglers who seek out striped bass each year would beg to differ and have challenged the Atlantic States Marines Fisheries Commission to manage these fish for their highest and best purpose, which is to provide sport and food for the angling public. Approximately half of the states along the East Coast already treat striped bass as game fish, which means that their commercial harvest is prohibited. Attempting to justify the barbarous technique of yo-yoing is akin to defending the now forbidden practice of shooting flocks of sleeping wildfowl with a cannon. Those ducks and geese were judged to be the property of the citizenry. It's high time striped bass received the same treatment.
George Watson
Vice President
Stripers Forever
South Portland, Maine
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
they have my vote.......
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tonyzfishin wrote:
MakoMike wrote:
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
they have my vote.......
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Yea, becaue the folks that live in the interior of the country should have no right to eat the fish that you want to catch and eat for your own personal fun. . . Remember that fish that swim in this country's oceans are a resource that belong to all the people of the country. And commercial fisherman are often fishing for the folks that don't have the same access to the ocean that we do.
As for lead weights in the baits. I've never yo-yo'd. Only just heard about it here a short while ago. But I have caught lots of fish (bass, blues, weaks) that have come up to the boat expelling their stomach contents. I would guess that bass can just as easily "cough" out any foreign objects in one's belly.
MakoMike wrote:
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
they have my vote.......
Yea, becaue the folks that live in the interior of the country should have no right to eat the fish that you want to catch and eat for your own personal fun. . .
Remember that fish that swim in this country's oceans are a resource that belong to all the people of the country. And commercial fisherman are often fishing for the folks that don't have the same access to the ocean that we do.As for lead weights in the baits. I've never yo-yo'd. Only just heard about it here a short while ago. But I have caught lots of fish (bass, blues, weaks) that have come up to the boat expelling their stomach contents. I would guess that bass can just as easily "cough" out any foreign objects in one's belly.
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It's not just a concern if you have a break off, even if you hook & land the fish, that bunker will pop off your hook & get eaten by another fish. And as far as the bass coughing up the lead, the problem is that lead or section of rebar is well down fish's digestive tract by the time it becomes apparent. I won't tell anyone how to fish, but there are so many other productive ways to fish for bass.
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Why would you want to fish for bass using a technique where you are taking a dead bunker and filling it with lead rods or lead weight and sinking it to the bottom with the hopes of a striper taking it? What possible advantage does this have over other productive methods of fishing for bass?
I've never heard of this yo-yoing technique before. Is this a common practice?
This post edited by Meirowitz 05:40 AM 09/11/2008
I've never heard of this yo-yoing technique before. Is this a common practice?
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I heard it was banned in Massachusetts.
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Hunt n' Fish wrote:
tonyzfishin wrote:
MakoMike wrote:
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
they have my vote.......
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Yea, becaue the folks that live in the interior of the country should have no right to eat the fish that you want to catch and eat for your own personal fun. . . Remember that fish that swim in this country's oceans are a resource that belong to all the people of the country. And commercial fisherman are often fishing for the folks that don't have the same access to the ocean that we do.
As for lead weights in the baits. I've never yo-yo'd. Only just heard about it here a short while ago. But I have caught lots of fish (bass, blues, weaks) that have come up to the boat expelling their stomach contents. I would guess that bass can just as easily "cough" out any foreign objects in one's belly.
Point taken but my guess is that I cannot drive to the middle of the country somewhere and start taking whatever their local natural resources are
tonyzfishin wrote:
MakoMike wrote:
Stripers Forever would do anything and say anything that they thought might make striped bass off limits to commercial fishermen.
they have my vote.......
Yea, becaue the folks that live in the interior of the country should have no right to eat the fish that you want to catch and eat for your own personal fun. . .
Remember that fish that swim in this country's oceans are a resource that belong to all the people of the country. And commercial fisherman are often fishing for the folks that don't have the same access to the ocean that we do.As for lead weights in the baits. I've never yo-yo'd. Only just heard about it here a short while ago. But I have caught lots of fish (bass, blues, weaks) that have come up to the boat expelling their stomach contents. I would guess that bass can just as easily "cough" out any foreign objects in one's belly.
Point taken but my guess is that I cannot drive to the middle of the country somewhere and start taking whatever their local natural resources are
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as mentioned, stripers can easily expel their stomach contents.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, the second most fish are hooked they will begin regurgitating whatever they ate... which makes sense, as it obviously put them in a bad situation!
this can be seen in freshwater or shallow water, when you release a fish and watch it continue to spit up its contents, including your bait.
the issue of bait being stolen, however, is valid, assuming the fish was not hooked.
This post edited by BillThe5th 08:29 AM 09/11/2008
MORE IMPORTANTLY, the second most fish are hooked they will begin regurgitating whatever they ate... which makes sense, as it obviously put them in a bad situation!
this can be seen in freshwater or shallow water, when you release a fish and watch it continue to spit up its contents, including your bait.
the issue of bait being stolen, however, is valid, assuming the fish was not hooked.
This post edited by BillThe5th 08:29 AM 09/11/2008
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FWIW,
There was an article in The Fisherman Mag about year ago. A surf fisherman caught a 36" bass at demo on bait, the bass was full of lead weights, and had a piece of rebar sticking out it's anus. I actually know the fisherman, and we couldn't figure out why someone would put that weight in the fish. Of course, we didn't know about this yo-yoing technic at the time. It was amazing, the rebar was rusting, like it had been there for a while, but the fish was healthy, and obviously still eating.
I personally think is a discusting way to catch fish, kinda barbaric. Fish live bunker, my guess is that's way more successfull.
There was an article in The Fisherman Mag about year ago. A surf fisherman caught a 36" bass at demo on bait, the bass was full of lead weights, and had a piece of rebar sticking out it's anus. I actually know the fisherman, and we couldn't figure out why someone would put that weight in the fish. Of course, we didn't know about this yo-yoing technic at the time. It was amazing, the rebar was rusting, like it had been there for a while, but the fish was healthy, and obviously still eating.
I personally think is a discusting way to catch fish, kinda barbaric. Fish live bunker, my guess is that's way more successfull.
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Apples to Oranges
chinacat wrote:
Point taken but my guess is that I cannot drive to the middle of the country somewhere and start taking whatever their local natural resources are
Sure you could. All you'd need to do is pay for a license to hunt or fish in those states. People do it all the time. And people from the interior could come to the Northeast to catch these fish too. But that's comparing apples to oranges.
A fair comparison of commercial fishing for bass in the Northeast to supply fish to other parts of the country (ie: a private interest paying the govt. for license fees to harvest a nathional public resource to provide to the rest of the country that doesn't have access to it) would be:
- cattle ranchers paying for grazing rights on federal lands to provide you steak here in NY.
-lumber and paper companies logging federal lands to bring you construction materials and toilet paper
- mining companies to bring you coal, stone, metals, gems
- oil companies to bring you gasoline.
All of these products aren't found on Long Island, or much of the Northeast (except ore and stone mines) and have to be brought to you by commercial interests in other parts of the country, paying govt fees, to harvest/take them from the environment and deliver it to you here in the Northeast.
This post edited by Hunt n' Fish 08:59 AM 09/11/2008
chinacat wrote:
Point taken but my guess is that I cannot drive to the middle of the country somewhere and start taking whatever their local natural resources are
Sure you could. All you'd need to do is pay for a license to hunt or fish in those states. People do it all the time. And people from the interior could come to the Northeast to catch these fish too. But that's comparing apples to oranges.
A fair comparison of commercial fishing for bass in the Northeast to supply fish to other parts of the country (ie: a private interest paying the govt. for license fees to harvest a nathional public resource to provide to the rest of the country that doesn't have access to it) would be:
- cattle ranchers paying for grazing rights on federal lands to provide you steak here in NY.
-lumber and paper companies logging federal lands to bring you construction materials and toilet paper
- mining companies to bring you coal, stone, metals, gems
- oil companies to bring you gasoline.
All of these products aren't found on Long Island, or much of the Northeast (except ore and stone mines) and have to be brought to you by commercial interests in other parts of the country, paying govt fees, to harvest/take them from the environment and deliver it to you here in the Northeast.
This post edited by Hunt n' Fish 08:59 AM 09/11/2008
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