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Makes sense that it will. The defenses of the US will be spread thinner, giving opportunity to those who want to strike at US soil. I include the white supremacists, ultra-Christians, whoever mailed the anthrax, etc as well as the mideast based terrorists.

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I don't think so. These guys would whack us any chance they get regardless of whether or not we go into Iraq. We need to go into Iraq and clean house, including the removal of the big guy. If we don't, 9/11 might look like a picnic one day.

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I share this concern...

I work in Times Square, if there's a target, this is one! What I fear is that other nations will sympathize with Iraq and see the US as the Evil Empire trying to crush the little guys. We kill Saddam and he becomes a martyr to millions, terrorism from new sources erupts all around us. We can't fight a war on multiple fronts - that WOULD spread our defenses WAY too thin. The possibilities from that point on are all grim at best. Maybe I'm just getting paranoid from all the warnings and being in this area...
 

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I don't think there is any one thing that will or will not affect the possibility of future terror. Having all of the authorities on alert is fine, but let's not think that someone else is going to save us. This is not the case

It is up to each and every one of us to protect each other. How? By being alert at all times. WE must be more and more diligent every day we walk this great Earth. Watch people more closely than you may have in the past. Look for things that are out of place, bags, crates, etc... Look for anything that makes you feel uncomfortable, and report it immediately.

I feel this is the best protection for US, ie. the shoe bomber,

No FBI agent, no police officer, no courageous fireman, could have prevented that from happening. It was the alertness of a Civilian that saved those people.

God bless us all.

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jtzannes:
I work at 1 Penn Plaza, right above Penn Station. Like you, I am in a location that could very well be a prime target. and like you, I am nervous.
The problem is, if we don't act to deter terrorist activity, at the source, than what are we to do?
You're right, going to war with Iraq is going to be a lead to increased terrorism, but hopefully we can take out the source, and minimize future risk. Remember, we did not do anything prior to 9/11 to provoke that attack.
Should we just sit back and wait for it to happen again?
 

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I have no credentials that make me any kind of an authority on this subject, but my common sense tells me that INACTION now will cause potentially more devestating and more frequent terrorist acts in the future.

Clinton had Bin Laden offered to him during his administration more than once....we did not act.... we did not kill him...we did not make him a martyr.... but yet he funded and masterminded the most deadly terrorsit attack on US soil ever!

In the gulf war, which was backed by the UN security council, we drove that ******* Sadam out of Kuwait and had him on his heels....we stopped...we did not kill him...we did not make him a martyr ... and yet we now know he has not disarmed...he has biological/chemical weapons...he aids and abets known terrorists (Bin Laden)...

INACTION now will not make it all go away ... it will enable their radical factions to gain strength and plot more and more attacks......

Let's Roll!

Then we can at least be dealing from a position of strength and authority not cowering and hoping like the French.

I am not a war monger... I do not want to see US soldiers killed.....but there comes a time where force is the only real option and my belief, for what it's worth, is now is the time!
 

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I'm not the sort that generally dwells on vague threats or speculates the "what ifs", but given the recent developments and the sanitized info that is being passed around with respect to possible terrorist action, I am certainly feeling anxious these days. I've noticed that my sleep patterns have been disrupted and I am certainly walking around with a heightened sense of caution.

So why the sudden change? I attribute it to the realiztion that for the first time in my life, the sense of security I once felt is clouded by my sense that the resources in this country are inadequate to combat isolated terrorists attacks-ones that can have far reaching implications.

Sure, my generation grew up during the nuclear arms race, but I'm not convinced that a threat of nuclear war during that time could have ever risen to the level of imminency (I'm talking post-Cuban missle crisis). Yes, it was a time that nations flexed their political muscle and built weapons in response to stock-piling by its perceived enemies, but at least you knew your enemy, where he was, and what he was capable of doing. I submit that we don't have that security in the war with terrorist.

It's not the frequency of terrorist attacks that most concerns me, but rather the magnitude of the devastation that each attack may bring. Can you imagine the impact a chemical, biological or radialogical weapon could have if detonated in the subway system of NYC below Grand Central at the height of rush hour? The point of incident alone would be horrific, but let's not forget the collateral impact it could have by traveling down the tunnels and up through the sidewalk vents. I'm not trying to be fatalisitc, but it's something I think about each day as my train pulls into GC.

We are dealing with comparatively small, discreet and highly mobile units whose capabilities are not fully-known. Couple that with fanaticism, a desire to impart large psychological impact, and a mission to levy as much damage as possible, and the magnitude of terroistic threat increases exponentially.

Do I think a war with Iraq will increase terrorist activity? With respect to the Islamic-fundamentalist groups-yes (the others I think of being less radical and threatening-especially when the country is subject to attack by outside forces). Terrorist acts are a strategic part of their "war"-why should the battle be limited to the theater of Iraq? Although at times we like to think that this country is invincible, we shouldn't fall into a mindset that were not vulnerable.

Sorry to use this space to vent my personal hang-ups.
 

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Those of you that have been on the board around 9/11 know that I have lost my sister inlaw that day.My wife still is having a rough time with it.She is starting to get in a panic with the fear of it happening all over again.I keep telling her that we CANNOT live in fear of those bastards,WE CAN'T LET THEM WIN. With both my son and daughter going to school in the city she is to say the least very worried.My son was just two blocks away from it last time in Styversant H.S. and he seen alot of things that we haven't seen.Sure the threat is on my mind but we can't give into them and change our life styles because of fear. WE MUST STOP THOSE BASTARDS NOW!!!
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Paulie,I agree....

it doesn't matter if in fact commencing a war with Iraq peaks terrorist activity.....we have to stamp this cancer out and we have to start somewhere.

Mahi-Mahi

I hear ya buddy....i don't consider myself a wimp but I took a cab downtown from Penn this morn instead of the Subway. i figure it's common sense and I feel alot safer than I do inside a subway car inside a tunnel. I don't know what the reality is here but the Govt isn't calling the NYC subways a target for nothing.
Americans should never have to feel afraid in their own backyard and for that reason we must defeat these madmen.
France?.....that hurts but f**** them.
 

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It is good to read all of your posts!!!!
I agree with each of you.Inaction will lead to very bad things coming our way.

I slept terrible last night and was wide awake by 2AM...................I am worried and uneasy.
That is not like I usually am but I have a lousy feeling inside that something is up.

Our country needs to bring fear to them...............WE are the power and yet we are the ones being afraid.
Time for a serious buttwhoopin!
 

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It's all pretty scary

If we must, I support a war in Iraq, but only if there's no other alternative. The economy is currently shot, we have conflict in North Korea, Iraq, and are not supported by all of our allies.. on top of that, there's a constant terrorist threat. Every day jobs are being moved outside of the US.. This country has been through worse in the past, but these are not great times either.

All great empires (even democratic) of the past have fallen. History shows us that when a nation, like ours, spreads itself too thin, becomes too powerfull, and/or the people/goverment loose sight of the common goal, seeking power and prosperity for the sake of power and prosperity alone, bad things can happen.

The more I think about the Iraq thing though, it seems to be a damned if you do or don't.. may as well do so we have control over it.

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To me, this is the most frightning thing: Unlike other wars, the enemy was known to the extent that armies were knocking on your backdoor...unfortunatley, now the enemy is already on our homeland...they could be the the guy selling you butts and lottery tickets at the newsstand, or the guy pumping your gas....or even the taxi driver who's car your in because you don't wan't to take the subway because your afraid....Evil is lurking our streets right in front of our faces...We've allowed anyone to enter our country because we beleive in the right that everyone should live in freedom and enjoy a prosperous life...if we didn't, we'd be accused of profiling and discrimination....I say tough sh**!!...We need to do everything possible...

9/11 was a wake-up call....the bleeding hearts should get their heads out of their asses...I don't want to have to worry about buses exploding, suicide bombers like in Israel,our biological elements in our air...

War sucks....Granted...But our country and our freedom was won because our forefathers fought for what they beleive in...If they didn't, It'd be tea time in a little while and my steering wheel would be on the passenger side....
just my 02 cents
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We Had Him

George SR had him by the B**** and we did not follow through. 12 years later look where we are. So much for being Political Correct.:(

Has History taught us nothing?

I don't like the idea of sacrificing youg men and women in our armed forces and if this happens there will be casulty's and death. But they seem eager and ready to go and are serious about it from soeme TV interviews I have seen.

If we do go God's speed to end this thing fast and furious and take the ******* out along with all his cronies.

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Maybe in the short term

History is full of examples of looking the other way to avoid war or exercising caution when confronted with terror.

I'm so tired of hearing that our motives are aggressive economic imperialist bullying, blah blah blah...
We are already the strongest country on the planet. If we wanted to conquer the world we could have done it 10 times over by now militarily and economically. The fact is we realize what's at stake. The days of isolationism are over and worrying about other nation's feelings is too dangerous a policy in these times. With power you use it or lose it. We've used our power before even reluctantly. But we've always prevailed because our motives are right and just, Vietnam not withstanding and open to debate. I have no doubt that we are right to defend ourselves and the rest of the world. Better to do what's necessary now than to wait for the other shoe to drop.

Hope all goes well for everyone in harm's way both here and abroad.

Tough circumstances demand tough choices!!!
 

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More Evidence

David Letterman on the Late Night Show last night
had a great line. He said:

"How many of you saw Colin Powell at the UN last week?
He made a very persuasive presentation. However, a lot of
people are demanding more evidence. For example, France.
France is demanding more evidence. You know the last time
France demanded more evidence, it rolled right through
Paris flying a German flag."

Just got this from a friend.
 

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The hajj....

Millions of Muslims making a pilgrimage to a holy place .....14 dead from being trampled.
Some interviewed(I don't know what percentage of this crowd feel this way) feel we are the devil and need to be wiped out.
A top saudi "cleric" further fuels this anti-western sentiment(Saudi Arabiacleric!)
I don't feel comfortable lumping all Muslims into one category as my enemy BUT I'm REALLY not to keen on a religon and a culture that is so full of numbers of people who hate us. I am starting to think that it may be fine with me if this country decided to close our boundaries to Muslims and go over each one already here with a fine tooth comb ......and to heck with fair!
There are many different religons and cultures on this planet that disagree with each other but these Muslims are outta their minds. they actually will do something like sneak into a subway and let loose some poison to kill men ,women and children in the name of God??!!..................THEM and any consideration for fairness!
They are the devil!
My boy Bush better not rest til he gets that Bin Laden! If he wants my continued support.
And you French .....where the **** did you leave your gunions heh? How dare you not kiss my after untold #'s of my countrymen died for your sissy a****!
I'd better stop here.....Now I gotta think about whether I'm gonna jump on the subway up to Penn or take a cab instead because I'd rather not die like a rat in a cage!

(This post edited by MakoMike on 02/12/2003)

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Hmmm....

Comparing the current situation to WWII? That's comforting. And there are so many similarities... oh wait, no there aren't. The war this one resembles is... that's right, the Gulf War. Hardly WWII.

I agree it's too late to avoid war. Waayyyy too late. Too bad, because many people will die, Americans included. There's no way to make that a positive thing, just a necessary one. I don't want to live in fear-that's no way to live! But it's the way we're all going to be living for an indeterminate period of time, so lets all get used to it. Hopefully Little Bush can finish what Big Bush couldn't, and do it quickly, and I won't have to explain to my girlfriend everyday how I really can't afford to take a cab from Brooklyn to Times Square every morning.

Anthonyale, I'll refrain from argument, just remeber what we're trying to defend here (freedom).
 

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It's good to hear a prevailing sentiment here. It makes me sick to read the papers everyday and here about the peaceniks and all the war protests going on. The only interviews you hear are the people who are against a war. Typical media. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT MOST PEOPLE FEEL EXACTLY AS WE DO HERE.
People are asking for more proof before we attack Iraq----like what, another 9/11..these guys don't give warnings. Let's take care of this problem now and make it a safer world in the future for our children.
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