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:confused: I've been flukin' off the beaches (Misquamicut to Green Hill)here in RI for 4 days straight from 0630 to 1630, and I'm getting frustrated! I have caught 179 fluke with exactly 5 being keepers! Those were only 20-23"! What gives? I've been fishing in 30-60' of water, with everything under the sun. Jigging, dead stick, mono, braid, live bait , dead bait, big and small jigs, fluke bullets, teasers, plastic, hi/lo rigs, 3 way rigs, spinners, hoochies, plain hooks, drift sock, no drift sock, etc.......:rolleyes: you kinda get the picture. I've been fishing 3-5 rods out of holders and jigging with 1 or 2. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks, Tom
 

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Doesn't sound like you're doing too badly to me. But it does sound like you've been what I like to call "Cookie Cutter" fishing.

What is that? Well, there are times that large quantities of fluke will move into an area - and nearly every single one will be about the same size. And nearly all will be short. This appears to have been your experience.

So you have two choices - either stick with what you are doing and hope that you can cull a larger fish or two from the prevailing-sized biomass - or move away, do some exploring and hope that it pays off.

Is there some broken bottom in your area? You can try to fish the structure in an effort to put a better fish in the boat. Big fluke are not stupid and yet they are quite lazy. They normally will not want to compete with the energetic young 'uns for the available food, and so they will shy away from the vast schools of smaller fish and seek out areas that they can hunt more as solitary predators.

Spots that feature structure, like reef edges and spread out, broken down wrecks that feature extended rubble fields afford an abundance of hiding places for the large fluke to lay in ambush between and next to the hard pieces - which are a veritable buffet table of different tasty fluke foods such as crabs, baby lobstas, bergalls and various fish fry that try to use the shelter of the rubble to help protect themselves. Predator species such as fluke are genetically conditioned over eons of time to seek out such places as their primary residences.

While I spend a ton of time every August looking for the squid as an indicator of where the better fluke might be feeding, there are times that no squid are locally available and so I have to utilize "Plan B" to put some fish in the boat. Last year was a great year for large fluke chasing the squid shoals here off the central South Shore of Long Island, as was 2005.

But 2006? Geesh. You certainly could have fished 50' of water over the open sand with the local fleet and caught many just-short fish. But that's not the target I have in mind if I'm planning on burning 20 gals(+) of fuel. I'm thinkin' thumper fluke at that time of year.

So in 2006 we were forced to do the local wreck round robin - pull a decent fish here and maybe a few there and at the end of the day while our individual fish catch count was very low compared to others back at the fuel dock - our keeper ratio was much, MUCH better than most other boats. We made a few jaws tighten and eyes turn away that season, for sure. Not many boats were coming in with much of anything, while moaning about all the catch and release they were doing - but we consistantly did get good quality fish. Not many boat limits for us, true enough. But many much better than average-sized fish hit did our cooler that year. Hey, when you're faced with lemons, make lemonade.

So that's my advice to you. Try moving away from the smaller fish and seek out the bottom in your area that might look good for seabass and tog fishing. Drift those areas and see if you don't increase your better-fish scoring.

Just be prepared to cough up some terminal tackle - which is no more than one would expect fishing sticky areas anyway.

The results from a typical "Hard bottom" fishing trip mid-August 2006. Not a ton of fish, but pretty fair quality:

This post edited by Leprechaun 11:16 PM 07/09/2008
 

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and what is the mortality rate you got going?

this is why we are overfished... its not the casual fishermen or rec....its the pounding of the fisherman that look at it like its a job. One guy hitting 170 fluke?

with these regs the mortality rates of bay flounder is high. The same flounder is getting caught about every time it gets hungry...

last week in moriches bay inlet we saw a seagull eating a freshly released fluke. it had to be a good 16 inches it was so big the gull could not fly.

keep banging the fish like there is no tomorrow... then its going to be no fish... then the next fish everyone moves too... either seabass or scup... then bass..

good luck

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Maybe I'm taking this too serious

I think Realsurfin has a point, however I was just using the time I had availible to put some fluke in the freezer. I did have too much of a single-minded focus....lost sight of the big picture. Going out and have some fun. I always liked a challenge and I turned this into one:(. Thank you to all for your interest and comments, Tom.
 

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:confused: I've been flukin' off the beaches (Misquamicut to Green Hill)here in RI for 4 days straight from 0630 to 1630, and I'm getting frustrated! I have caught 179 fluke with exactly 5 being keepers! Those were only 20-23"! What gives? I've been fishing in 30-60' of water, with everything under the sun. Jigging, dead stick, mono, braid, live bait , dead bait, big and small jigs, fluke bullets, teasers, plastic, hi/lo rigs, 3 way rigs, spinners, hoochies, plain hooks, drift sock, no drift sock, etc.......:rolleyes: you kinda get the picture. I've been fishing 3-5 rods out of holders and jigging with 1 or 2. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks, Tom

Very typical for that area right now. I would suggest you move, and go to bigger baits. There is a body of bigger fish off of Newport and Sachuest point. Also some bigger fish around Pt. Jude light and around to opposite the center wall. You might also want to try the area off the SW corner of the island down around Black Rock. Like Pete said, they often move in en masse and they are all around the same size, so when that happens usually the best bet is to move.
 

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Realsurfin wrote:
this is why we are overfished... its not the casual fishermen or rec....its the pounding of the fisherman that look at it like its a job. One guy hitting 170 fluke?

with these regs the mortality rates of bay flounder is high. The same flounder is getting caught about every time it gets hungry...

last week in moriches bay inlet we saw a seagull eating a freshly released fluke. it had to be a good 16 inches it was so big the gull could not fly.

keep banging the fish like there is no tomorrow... then its going to be no fish... then the next fish everyone moves too... either seabass or scup... then bass..

good luck

realsurfin



Excellent points ! I dont fluke fish alot , but if I knew I could catch that many fish with none being keepers, I would be hesitant to continue to pound them knowing the more I catch the more I ended up killing.

also, as far as technique, 5 rods, is that for one person ? if so , maybe you should concentrate on one rod.
 

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Yes 5 or 6 rods for 1 guy!

rpsurf5, Yes it's true. I have my boat set up for drifting, 4 rod holders down each side. Sometimes I've been known to jig with 1 in each hand as well, depends on the mood. Usually I have 2 other people with me, hence the extras. It really does turn into a circus when I get 3 or 4 bites at the same time
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I'm no scientist but in my unprofessional opinion a fluke hooked in the mouth stands a very good chance of surviving a release than one hooked deep. I just wish more people cut off the hooks before inflicting a ton of damage trying to retrieve their hooks. I've noticed more than a few anglers do not want to re-rig when into a bite and yank and pull on a deep set hook making the fluke bleed before releasing it. I feel most decent fishermen know right away when a fluke has the hook deep, please do your part, forget about getting your hook back, snip it off and re-tie another on. Give that short fluke at least a chance for survival.... jm2c
 

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What you are doing wrong is Fluke fishing with that keeper ratio.
I completely stopped Fluke fishing for that reason. I thought it was a sin to throwback most of the fluke I caught. I feel as if the problem is the fisherman themselves that are creating the problem of few keepers. Half those shorts you threw back will probably be crab food. Thats over 80 fish that would have made it to keeper size next season. You are one person,multiply it times how many fish are thrown back. I am not singling you out but you are part of the problem.
 

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" . . Half those shorts you threw back will probably be crab food."

Got any science to back up that statement?

Can someone cite the DEC's data for rec caught discard survival? Not that I believe most of what they use for decision making, but in this type of discussion you gotta start somewhere, other than our own seat-of-the-pants feelings.

I ask this because I personally believe just the opposite from what TOMCHUM wrote - namely, that fluke caught square in the mouth and gently handled/released will stand an excellent chance of survival. If an angler is repeatedly gut or gill-hooking fluke, then a re-evaluation/adjustment of personal fishing technique would be called for.

This is one reason I stick with teaser fishing when the shorts predominate. Rare is the fish that is not hooked fair in the mouth.

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My post was based on my own experiences. I was always careful to pay attention to the slightest bite and still got many gut hooked fish.
I knew when I released the fish it would not survive. I am proud of making the decision not to Fluke fish anymore. I didn't need science or DEC info to determine a waste of a fishes life. I made my decision when the size was 14 or 16 inches. Now at 20.5 inches I feel more fish than ever will be lost to waste.I focus on Blue fish and stripers now.
 

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I have always been surprised at how long out of the water fluke can remain and still be released fine. For this reason, I emphasize:

DO NOT RUSH TAKING THE HOOK OUT... THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY YANKING ON THE HOOK IS FAR GREATER THAN SLOWING DOWN AND RETRIEVING A HOOK CAREFULLY AND TAKING A LITTLE MORE TIME

As for the issue of short fish, I try and fish areas and keep three things in mind: Hard bottom (not boulders, but not exactly mud), deeper water (40-100ft) and larger baits (whole squid/mackerel/herring). Hope this helps
 

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I do lot of Fluke fishing and been catching hundreds of non- keepers and I don't remember that I had kill some of the fish that I release,first I fish Bucktails more of the time and also just one rod and if the hook it's alway impale in the fish mouth I'll call the mate they are fantastic working the hook out of the fish mouth ,Grumpy you said it all you are taking this Fluke fishing to serious try to enjoy and used just one rod and started to have fun...I was like you when I used to have my own boat and if non of this advised work for you let me know I know a great witch lady that she will help you....lol...just kidding....Fred
 

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Hi all,
I took my dad and brother out Saturday to a spot that we haven't fished since high school (20 years). We had an amazing time, the weather was awesome and we caught 15 fluke with only 3 shorts. We caught some bonus scup and seabass too. I feel it was a good decision to loosen up and actually ENJOY the fishing instead of thinking like a tournament bass pro. Thanks to all for your comments. The larger 2 fluke are 8.65 and 7.5 lbs respectively, the 2 smaller are 3.6 and 3.83 lbs. The rest were in between. Most, including the 2 largest hit blue 2 oz jigs with sea robin strips. My dad fished his usual 4" bluefish strip on a dead rod.
Thanks again, Tom
 

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Way to go...who or whatever you listened to paid off handsomely.

Regarding who's responsible for the current regs, whispers are coming out of the boardroom that the numbers favor us much more then previously thought. How much they admit this will be interesting to see come next season.
 
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