[Skate]

Got A phone call yesterday to inform me about Spraying in nassua;
Good to know if you plan to be out tonight or tomorrow in the affected areas.
http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/Health/NewsRelease/2008/09-03-08.html

West nile spray

This post edited by Skate 02:02 PM 09/04/2008

 

[Scott1280]

Thanks skate! Got the call too. They said spraying between 6:30 PM & 11 PM tonight & tomorrow.

 

[Scott1280]

Capt Ed III wrote:
thanks skate. i never remember getting bit up as bad as this year.

-ken
Makes you wonder why they're doing it in SEPTEMBER!

 

[GoodChance]

Because WNV avtivity peaks in September.

 

[tonyzfishin]

Scott1280 wrote:
Capt Ed III wrote:
thanks skate. i never remember getting bit up as bad as this year.

-ken
Makes you wonder why they're doing it in SEPTEMBER!
I guess they had to wait for a few people to kick the bucket before they decided they needed to do something about it.

 

[denw72]

is it safe?

is it safe to be out fishing when they are doing this? i wanted to hit the point lookout marshes tonight for some fishing...

 

[denw72]

nevermind

nevermind i saw the map they are only spraying north of the southern state parkway!! goin fishin!!

 

[Skate]

denw72 wrote:
nevermind

nevermind i saw the map they are only spraying north of the southern state parkway!! goin fishin!!



It is blowing from South Wind 10-15,I was thinking the same thing tonight at south shore.

 

[GoodChance]

tonyzfishin wrote:
Scott1280 wrote:
Capt Ed III wrote:
thanks skate. i never remember getting bit up as bad as this year.

-ken
Makes you wonder why they're doing it in SEPTEMBER!
I guess they had to wait for a few people to kick the bucket before they decided they needed to do something about it.


Unfortunately you are correct. I believe taht you guys have had 6 human cases of WNV in Naussu County this year with most of these cases being detected in late August. You guys have a pretty vocal anti-pesticide crowd up there and some people think taht the spraying done to control mosquitoes is more dangerous than the disaese itself. This allegation is made in-spite of the fact that each year ten - hundreds of thousands of people (only estimates are available) are infected with WNV each year; thousands are hospitalized and hundreds die each year. These are all very preventable deaths. And there has never been 1 single case of a human having incidental exposure to mosquito spraying and subsequently requiring medical treatment to address that very small chemical exposure.

Also interesting, the chemicals taht are used to spray for mosquitoes are the same chemicals that are prescribed for childern's head lice; frequently purchased at Walmart or Home Depot for use as flea bombs inside of homes and prescribed by vetrinarians for ticka nd flea control on dogs --- all of these later applications are applied at doses much, much higher than the dose applied for mosquito control.

Sorry for the long "rant", but you guys up there have a vocal anti-pesticide crowd that is largely mis-informed, acts upon feelings (and not facts) and in the process, is jeopardizing public health.

 

[Hunt n' Fish]

They had to cancel the aerial application tonight due to winds, but the trucks were able to spray a couple areas.

FYI, the adulticides they are using are not the same products they use for head lice on kids.

 

[Scott1280]

GoodChance wrote:
Also interesting, the chemicals taht are used to spray for mosquitoes are the same chemicals that are prescribed for childern's head lice;
Pyrethrin???

Potent Stuff!

I'm not a anti-spraying guy, but realize that water gets sprayed on LI winds up in the groundwater which is where our drinking water comes from. There also ARE suggested human ramifications to the stuff, so it is far from harmless. We used it as a heavy duty insect repellent in the military and the labels were enough to scare the bajezuz out of you.

Pyrethrins are harmful to fish, birds, and mammals, including humans. In humans, pyrethrin irritates the eyes, skin, and respiratory systems, and it may cause other harmful effects. One study suggested a link between maternal pyrethrin use and autism in children.[4] The study indicated that mothers of autistic children were twice as likely to have washed a pet dog with a flea shampoo containing pyrethrin while they were pregnant.

 

[GoodChance]

Hunt n' Fish wrote:
They had to cancel the aerial application tonight due to winds, but the trucks were able to spray a couple areas.

FYI, the adulticides they are using are not the same products they use for head lice on kids.

http://dermatology.about.com/cs/headlice/a/headlice_2.htm

Nix and Elimate are very commonly prescribed for childern's head lice. Both products are permethrin. Permethrin is the active ingredient in Biomist 31:66; the product commonly sprayed for mosquito control. Although I am not certain taht Nassau County is spraying the active ingredient permethrin; they might be spraying resmethrin or sumithrin; regardless, all three are very closely related.

This post edited by GoodChance 10:28 PM 09/04/2008

 

[Hunt n' Fish]

resmethrin is close, but not the same. And only one of the active ingredients, and the smaller percentage, in the primary product Suffolk and Nassau Counties use for their adulticide activities. The primary active ingredient in Scourge is piperonyl butoxide.

 

[GoodChance]

Hunt n' Fish wrote:
resmethrin is close, but not the same. And only one of the active ingredients, and the smaller percentage, in the primary product Suffolk and Nassau Counties use for their adulticide activities. The primary active ingredient in Scourge is piperonyl butoxide.

Resmethrin and Permethrin are both synthetic pyrethroids. The way taht each kills is exactly the same. The toxicity profile for each is also exactly the same. Permethrim might be slightly more effective.

Scourge is the trade name; the active ingredient in Scourge is resmethrin. Resmethrin is what actually kills. Scourge also contains piperonyl butoxide (aka PBO) but PBO is not an active ingredient. It only helps resmethrin to kill faster.

 

[Hunt n' Fish]

Go check the Scourge label on that link posted in the first post. PBO is absolutely an active. And its an active which makes up 54% of the product compared to only 18% of resmethrin.

 

[GoodChance]

Hunt n' Fish wrote:
Go check the Scourge label on that link posted in the first post. PBO is absolutely an active. And its an active which makes up 54% of the product compared to only 18% of resmethrin.




In all due respect, resmethrin is the ONLY active ingedient. PBO is a synergist. PBO is classified by the EPA as a synergist. The difference: An "active" will actually kill an insect; a "synergist" only makes the mortality occur quicker. Without the synergist, resmethrin will still kill, only slower. Without resmethrin, the synergist will have no effect on the mosquito population.

ps - I've been doing this stuff (at a professional level) for 19 years.

 

[Hunt n' Fish]

Ah, my bad actually. . .

quote:
piperonyl butoxide Chemical Profile 3/85
CHEMICAL NAME: 3,4-methylenedioxy-6-propylbenzyl (heptyl) diethylene glycol ether (56)

TRADE NAME(S): Butacide (56)

FORMULATION(S): Used as a synergist in conjunction with pyrethrin, allethrin, and other synthetic pyrethroids, etc., in ratios ranging from 3:1 to 20:1 by weight, as pressurized sprays, solutions, emulsions, foggers, dusts, wettable powders, paper coatings, and E.C. for tank mix (Fairfield American, Penick); E.C. 8 pounds/gallon (McLaughlin Gormley King) (56).

As I said, the label lists it as an Active, and I've seen pesticides where the carriers were more harmful than the actives to other wildlife.

Chris

 

[fish4me]

The odds on getting west nile virus is slim to none.

This post edited by fish4me 11:30 AM 09/05/2008