[BoatGuy]

Good day Crazy Al!

I am new to this and read many of the posts on bullets. There is no doubt you guys understand what you are discussing. To me it's sometimes hard to follow. From what is gathered, Figure 1 is a typical set-up, also known as a "Terminator Rig". Correct so far?

Questions:

1) What is the typical length of line #1
1) What is the typical length of line #2 Leprechaun: I think you mentioned 14 inches in a previous post.
3) Does the Artificial lure have to have some buoyancy? Can you use a bucktail in the 1/4 OZ range? Would a hand tied fly be a better choice for a teaser?

Another set-up that may look like the Figure A drawing. Will something like this work? Line B would again be longer than Line A. Any recommended starting lengths? Will this even work? Check out this post for the photo by Togmaster:

http://www.noreast.com/discussion/V...5'}&SearchUpToDate={ts '2003-04-21 19:13:55'}

Guys, I like to hear what you have to say. When possible a scan or photo will work wonders.

 

[flukerr]

Bullets..

The rigs you have pictured look like one in the same. I use several different bullet rigs, some that look like yours. I like to use the 3 way swivel in this manner. Start with 2 1/2 to 3 ft piece of mono tied to a barrel swivel.This is where you running line will connect too. Tie the other end to your 3 way. To the bottom loop of the 3 way tie a 6-8 inch piece of mono, and the other end to the bullet of your choice, with the hooks removed. Too the last remaining loop on the 3 way tie a snelled 4/0 to 5/0 oct. hook with 3 ft of leader material.

Approx. 14 inches up from the 3 way tie a dropper-loop in the piece of mono that you tied to your " barrel swivel ". On the dropper loop i like a fly/teaser in white or blue or green, sometimes red.Not a lite bucktail! I feel the teaser acts a little more natural.
The reason for removing the hook on the bullet is because in deep water it drops alot of fish.
This is one of my ocean rigs when you use a bullet of 4 ounces or more.
In shallow water i do things alot different and sometimes in deepwater i will use a Montauk rig with a teaser or some other variation.....

Hope this helps... feel free to ask. Alot of limits have been caught on rigs like these as recent as this past Sept.Trial and error has pointed to these rigs being sucessfull.....fish on.....

 

[LkyLindy]

OR......you say tomaaato

Flukerr-

You can also remove the hook from the bullet and add a leader with a snelled hook directly from the bullet and skip the 3 way.The teaser is a must though

 

[daShark]

 

[daShark]

 

[Leprechaun]

On my "B&B" rigs, line 2 is 14" and line 1 is actually a 1-1.5" dropper loop.

My rig is bit different as I make heay use of duolock or coastlock snaps for the lures as that way the entire rig can be broken down and untagled much more easily from the net.

Reread some of my posts here (Linked in the 9th post) for specific details:

Bullets & Bucktail Rigging

Its all there.

rgds, Leprechaun

 

[flukerr]

I hear ya Lindy....

I do agree thats why i said i sometimes rig it " Montauk Style " Thats the proper name for the rig you are describing. Know it, live it, love it , fish it........

The 3 way is for the purpose of connecting a longer snelled hook that fluke sometimes want as they are trailering behind.......fish on...

 

[5ofakind]

bait...

do you through squid strips or pork strips on these types of rigs or just use the teasers ?

 

[614668]

Lep has it right, 1-1.5" loop on high hook has always produced big fish. I would dress high teaser with small strip of squid. I leave the big strips for the lower hook, preferably bluefish strip, sea robin. I never had much success with mackerel strip, it gets to soft to quick. I've read reports of guys using dogfish strips.

Lastly, I was on a Montauk 6 pack about 2 years ago when the mate on a whim tied to main line a norwegian style cod jig (large diamond jig, sorry not sure if I have name right) without a hook to the other end tied about a 2-3' leader with fluke hook/bucktail & bait and that rig outproduced all other rigs.

 

[614668]

I used these salmon lures/teasers on the highhook with much success. I try to avoid using them on party boats as eager to please mates often in a rush don't realize there is a second hook hiding in the teaser material. This is not a plug for this product and I am not affiliated in any manner with the company. I can only say that I did purchase these through ebay and had no complaints.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3604416324&category=36153

 

[flukerr]

A fluke off

One day us die-hard flukers most get together and see what rig is " IT " So many variations and everyone has the best Let the games begin........

 

[BoatGuy]

Thanks to all who replied. I went to Combs bait & tackle on Merrick Rd.. I met Bill and his wife. Really super nice people. Just walked in, Bill came from behind the counter and treated me like a like long regular customer. Wish the shop near me would treat me like that. Special thanks for the tip! I purchased a Terminator rig and some other stuff. Don't mind supporting the shop that spends some time with you. I'll go back

Just wanted to let you guys know.

 

[jamesa]

Bill Witchey of Combs treated me like that too when I returned to saltwater fishing 5 years ago; love to refer him but don't want his cash register line to get any longer !!

 

[Crazy-Al]

Ahhh yes… The wonderful fluke balls!

To be perfectly honest with you… there are too many ways to target large doormats and the balls are absolutely deadly under the "right" conditions!

For me… It depends on the "location" and "structure"!
Since this is a "fluke ball" topic… I will focus on that.

First of all… The ball is an "attractant"!!!! What do I mean by that? It's simple… With properly applied, the consistent "thump" noise on the ground / The silver "glitter" / The "bouncing" motion and attached teaser are ALL fluke attractant!

In regards to the proper rigs (line lengths and ball size) The "KEY" fundamentals is to make sure that the teaser and the ball are far enough not to tangle each other!

Now… Can anybody tell me which color combinations are best for fluke?

Also… How about fluke bait strips? What do you prefer? Squid, spearing, killie, fish strips, smelt, dogfish, snapper, pork rind, grubs, etc?

BTW: For those who know Bill Witchey of Combs… Please send my regards!

"Crazy" Alberto
[email protected]

(This post edited by Crazy-Al on 04/23/2003)

 

[pnutbunker]

When lowering a fluke rig like the one described in Figure 1, or a Terminator rig, control the speed of the descent with your thumb. The long leader & teaser will not sink as fast as the ball, which could cause the teaser to wrap around the main line.

I usually fish with the ball on the bottom and a dropper loop 14 - 20" higher for my teaser depending on the depth of the water I'm fishing.

(This post edited by pnutbunker on 04/24/2003)

 

[BoatGuy]

Crazy Al:

You asked: Can anybody tell me which color combinations are best for fluke?

In the posts, many colors seem to work and it seems to vary form year to year. My guess is that what color works, would depend on what they're eating. Rich Tenreiro made an interesting comment. He said past 30-ish feet, the water is so murky, he doubts they see any color and white would be the color of choice. I'll throw that comment out for discussion.

You also asked: How about fluke bait strips?

I've used Whole Squid, Squid strips, spearing, pork rind, grubs, and sand eels. Admittedly, all with limited success.

Regards

BoatGuy

 

[614668]

When fishing on private boat I am usually responsible for rigging up kids, wife, other novices etc... I always rig different colors. Then when it is obvious that they prefer a certain color I switch everyone to same color. Funny, some people prefer to stay with their original rig but that is a whole other issue. As for color, my three main choices are pink, green and white. Some years pink seems to be the hot color, other years it is white. Last year green was working for me. Experimenting is key and when on party boat look around to see what others are doing and who is having success.

 

[flukerr]

What color......

To me color is dictated by the time of the year.
In the early part of the season i like green to match the spearing in the bay.
As the season progresses i switch to white. The main reason is that those C-robins just love that green. You will still catch some on white but not nearly as many.
Late in the season i will go for darker colors to match the bait available at that time of the year. New born c-robins, small C-bass, bergals,ect, that invade the bays and shores in August. Sometimes red is deadly.......

 

[mudman]

I'm sorry to say that sea robins also seem to love pink teasers...I draw them like a magnet.

mudman

 

[pnutbunker]

In the beginning of the season I fish my white and sea robin patterns. Later on I switch over to my green/chart or olive/tan combinations.