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Interestingly, Dr. Norse failed to mention that in 2000/01, the Marine Conservation Biology Institute, which he founded and runs) received over $400,000 Pew bucks, and the way I understand English, the $150,000 that accompanied his Pew fellowship is a "grant," plain and simple. The mind boggles that Dr. Norse can forgot about over half a million bucks.

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Thanks for shining light on Stellwagen and Pew
July 05, 2008 12:09 am

To the editor:

Kudos to Richard Gaines for reporting what is going on behind the smoke and mirrors obscuring the struggle to maintain the historical fisheries that have thrived on Stellwagen Bank for generations (The Times, Wednesday, June 25).

He couldn't be more on-target when writing "Pew is associated with public information campaigns against fishing and fish consumption." The Pew "Charitable" Trusts, established by the founder of Sun Oil and now run by his heirs, is frighteningly adept at wielding the political and media clout that their billions of dollars have bought, making it appear as if their anti-fishing programs are the results of grassroots movements by the people rather than checkbook advocacy pretending to be supported by real science.

Mr. Gaines disclosed that researchers Les Watling and Elliot Norse have been passengers on the Pew gravy train. That's the tip of the iceberg. The Pew Trusts' Big Oil bucks have been behind most other high profile anti-fishing initiatives, in New England and nationally, for more than a decade. Commercial fishermen ? and the communities that depend on the continued harvest of our rich inshore and offshore waters ? are paying an ever-escalating price.

In their professed zeal to "protect" the oceans from commercial fishermen who have been sustainably plying their trade for centuries, well-funded activists and their stable of scientists have been manipulating the media and politically vulnerable bureaucrats for far too long. While pretending to have the fishermen's and the fish loving public's long-term best interests at heart, they know that, once gone, a fishing-dependent waterfront business is never coming back, no matter how the fish are doing.

Their interest in fishing communities extends no farther than their next foundation grant ? and my most profound thanks go to Mr. Gaines and to the Gloucester Times for shedding some light on that sorry fact.

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Marine biology conservationist disputes Stellwagen piece
Gloucester Daily News - July 05, 2008

The last of the three parts to the series "The Ocean's Crossroads," ? headlined "Is Stellwagen report advocacy masquerading as science'?" (The Times, Wednesday, June 25) ? does your community, your readers and we marine scientists a disservice. It stokes paranoia and division. It has errors of fact. It is, in my view, biased, shoddy journalism ? and it won't bring your fish back.

If Gloucester's community newspaper wants your fisheries to end and marine ecosystems to collapse further, then just say what Mr. Gaines' story did. Blame the problem on somebody, anybody else. Insult and defame those you blame. Oppose marine reserves that might help your fisheries recover. But don't confront the real problem and those who caused it because that would cause difficulties.

Mr. Gaines cites people who are clearly or likely to be biased toward perpetuating the New England fishery crisis by ignoring overwhelming scientific and practical evidence. He writes without comment their unsupported allegations that other people are biased against fishing (Nobody asked these other people whether they are biased or what their biases might be.)

The story refers to a commercial fisherman who sees subtle bias against user groups in a report that cites the similarity between impacts of bottom trawling and forest clearcutting. I actually know his wife, Ellen, because we serve together of the Marine Protected Areas Federal Advisory Committee. On the first day I met her, she warned me that I'd risk being murdered if I went to New England because of the research I have done about bottom trawling impacts. Do you condone threatening someone with murder? Or is that acceptable behavior in Gloucester?

The origin of this allegedly biased comparison is a scientific paper by Les Watling (then of the University of Maine) and I published in 1998 in the journal Conservation Biology. Indeed, it was featured as the cover paper in that issue of the journal after being thoroughly reviewed by other scientists for accuracy and validity before its publication. Since then, it has become the world's most-cited paper about impacts of bottom trawling and other mobile fishing gear. Mrs. Goethel told me that neither she nor her husband had actually read that paper. Why try to rebut the scientific arguments when it's so much easier to threaten people and complain about bias?

Mr. Goethel, his wife and other draggers may not like the fact that bottom trawling is very much like forest clearcutting. Perhaps if I were making my money by dragging nets across publicly owned seafloor ecosystems that both fishes and other fishermen depend on, I wouldn't feel good about that analogy either. But that doesn't mean it isn't scientifically valid, and that desire to reduce this practice isn't a legitimate one for Americans who think about both marine ecosystems and the all other fishermen who have been hurt by the actions of Gloucester draggers.

For the record, I have not "received large grant funding from the Pew Institute" as the June 25 story states. I am a Pew Fellow in Marine Conservation ? an honor given to only 100 or so people (including scientists, commercial fishermen and others) worldwide since 1990 (Dr. Watling is one of them as well). Fellows are chosen by a blue ribbon panel of experts from around the world. It's the highest honor in the field of marine conservation. The fellowship was not a grant. It provided modest funding that I used to start and grow Marine Conservation Biology Institute. The Pew Fellowships are now administered by the Pew Institute for Ocean Science, but was not when I received it. I did not participate in a campaign a decade ago to end swordfishing. Get your facts straight!

Fishing in New England has collapsed ? taking with it biodiversity, sorely needed jobs and fresh fish Americans should be eating ? because responsible government agencies and elected officials allowed overfishing and destructive fishing methods by your friends and neighbors to ruin one of the world's best places to fish.

As a lifetime recreational fisherman and consumer of commercially caught seafood, as a marine scientist, as someone who has spent 30 years in the field of conservation, and as a citizen and taxpayer, I am appalled by what your community ? aided and abetted by its newspaper ? did to your once-rich waters.

Look in the mirror, if you dare!
Elliott A. Norse
President, Marine Conservation Biology Institute
Bellevue, Wash.

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"Fishing in New England has collapsed ? taking with it biodiversity, sorely needed jobs and fresh fish Americans should be eating ? because responsible government agencies and elected officials allowed overfishing and destructive fishing methods by your friends and neighbors to ruin one of the world's best places to fish. "

Truth is a tough pill to swallow, but I completely agree with this statement.

We keep coddling the killers and have all but eliminated fishermen who use handgear.
 

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How can the term 'responsible' be used to describe the government agencies that were charged in montoring and managing our American fisheries. If they are 'responsible' how come these people who were paid with taxpayer dollars are not being held ACCOUNTABLE for the economic devastation they have caused to thousands of American commercial fishermen who are now suffering under the onerous regulations now set in place to rebuild many of our fish stocks?

Also the phrase Fishing in New England has collapsed, is not entirely true. A number of groundfish stocks are at their lowest reported levels, but fishermen are still fishing and catching these same 'collapsed' fish stocks. The returns to the fishermen for these so called collapsed fisheries like codfish make one wonder about the credibility of anyone saying that the fishery has 'collapsed:

Portland Fish Exchange

PRICE REPORT-Auction: 07/06/2008

CDM> COD MARKET CON:24,096lbs SOLD:10,909lbs L: $1.20 A: $1.35 H: $1.43

Goodness! For a fishery that is supposed to be collapsed, the return to the fishermen on a large croaker is more then for a market codfish!

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ECN -

Exactly right. Some stocks are up, some stocks are down, just like always. What's different now is that, with the advent of limited entry, if you're locked into a stock that's down, you're out of luck and out of work. What's different now is that it used to be accepted as that's the way the ocean works, now it's been turned into a so-called crisis by the crisis industry. What's different now is that you used to have the whole ocean to fish in, while now there are closed areas piled on closed areas (though there still aren't enough of them for the antis).

Species x has lost its dominance to species y - we've traded dogfish for cod. Used to was that we could do something about it. Thanks to what passes for "management" today, we no longer can.

Loligo - regardless of the condition of the stocks, could you make a living fishing if you could target anything anywhere like you could 30 years ago? How has total catching capacity changed since then?

Feels like we've been victimized by a gigantic shuck and jive, doesn't it?
 

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Morning Nils....that should be required reading for everyone who wants to understand ,amy of the truths about our American fisheries. That really is a masterpiece, with strong evidence given about some of the falacies of what many of the enviro-nazis call a crisis occurring in our coastal waters.

This weekend I spent some time with one of the largest southern fish dealers and we discussed how many fish stocks are so cyclical, and that anyone who has worked and fished on the ocean understands that nature works in cycles. He pointed out that just in the various fisheries of the Chesapeake in the last 30 years of the boom and bust cycles:

-Grey Trout>>the poster child for fish that come and go every 5-10 yrs
-Spot>>as thick as fleas at times, and then cannot be found in any #s
-Croaker>>backbone fish of the Cheseapeake, fluxuates in average size
-Spanish Mackeral>>another fish which experiences boom and bust cycles
-Striped bass>>in the Chesapeake one wonders when there was a down yr
-Bluefish>>30yrs ago all the gorilla sized fish you wanted and now the average size ranges from 2-6lbs
-Speckled Trout>>seems stock is in recovery as last year was one of the best for the beach haul seiners

To answer the question to Loligo, small boat commercial fishermen could make a living if allowed greater landings on all inshore fish stocks. Todays landing limits have squeezed the small boat fleet to the point where it does not pay to leave the dock anymore. If expenses are greater then returns, why fish for a living?

Nils along with the commercial fishermen being squeezed, the fishing infrastructure of this country is being put out of business. They relied on VOLUMN to sustain all the jobs that were within this part of the industry. Over the last few years, the buyers and wholesalers are going out of business just as quickly as the commercial docks along the water are closing up and being sold to developers or being converted into marinas. The amount of freshly caught seafood is severly down and what was being shipped to the great fish market we had here in NY is a mere shadow of what it used to be. By this time next year, if things do not change in the industry the shakeout of wholesales in the business will be staggering.

We are at the point where the American consumer has switched from eating fresh fish to frozen pre packed fish, along with the American restuarant industry pushing foreign caught fish as being 'premium' and unique tasting over our coastal fish, and the environmental groups who are in lockstep in gradually shutting down our fish industry.

Will there be a rainbow and sunny skies for the American commercial fishermen in the near future....I hardly doubt it.

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ECN -

Thanks very much. One of my concerns is that my stuff doesn't get distributed widely enough. For example, the way electronic communications are today, it's almost impossible to get an email to anyone in Congress unless you are either a constituent or have a personal relationship with him/her or someone on his/her staff. Ditto local pols and close to ditto with media reps (substitute subscriber/viewer in the market served for "constituent"). I can write it, and I can distribute it as widely as possible, but that won't get it read by the right people.

I send out a "FishNet Users Guide" every couple of years suggesting that folks must have a personal relationship with their people in DC and with their local fish/enviro writers and etc., and that whenever they read something that I (or anyone else) has put together that they agree with and think it is important, that they do everything that they can to insure that those people digest it. Everyone reads the NY Times, the Washington Post and the San Fran Chronicle, and it looks like the antis, thanks to the Pew billions, can afford to get just about anything they want covered there. Also, the various public broadcasting outlets (a million here, a million there will get you really far with a system that has to beg semi-annually for $50 donations). We can't afford to do it that way, so we have to do it the other.

Without that, it's just preaching to the choir, and you guys already know what's happening.

But thanks much anyone. It's always good to hear that I'm on target.

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Nils....that is a shame. Too bad the Commercial Fisheries News and even the National Fishermen cannot run these articles during the year. More important is to get this out to the main stream news sites because there is just so much disinformation going around. If they want to know about a crisis they should take a good look at what is happening to the commercial fishing industry in this country.

It truly is a pleasure reading your articles.

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EC NEWELL MAN wrote:


Nils....that is a shame. Too bad the Commercial Fisheries News and even the National Fishermen cannot run these articles during the year. More important is to get this out to the main stream news sites because there is just so much disinformation going around. If they want to know about a crisis they should take a good look at what is happening to the commercial fishing industry in this country.

It truly is a pleasure reading your articles.

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Steve, just FYI Nils does have a regular column in the National Fisherman.

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To answer the question to Loligo, small boat commercial fishermen could make a living if allowed greater landings on all inshore fish stocks. Todays landing limits have squeezed the small boat fleet to By this time next year, if things do not change in the industry the shakeout of wholesales in the business will be staggering.


Bigger problem- the absolute denial of the negative and continuously degrading policy of lumping all the gears together. DAS....wtf?



It's completely ridiculous for example to only allow the draggers to take just 300#'s of fluke per day in Ma., even if we have the same small quota. We could let them take the whole weeks worth in 1 day or a couple, their choice, but the draggers won't be able to fish on the other days and retain scup as a bycatch so they actually sort of benefit, except that the cost of fuel is balancing that now. Seems like a no brainer? Less fuel burned is better for the environment, the economy and the pocketbook, but only getting 1500#'s of fluke for the whole week? Meantime the poor hook guy, who makes his living from the ocean too, is reduced to 200#'s a day and has no "bycatch" allowance. Bad policy, but thats the way things are done.

The draggers should be ratcheted down in fleet size and those fisheries should be affected by less impactive gears to whatever extent is possible.





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We are at the point where the American consumer has switched from eating fresh fish to frozen pre packed fish, along with the American restuarant industry pushing foreign caught fish as being 'premium' and unique tasting over our coastal fish, and the environmental groups who are in lockstep in gradually shutting down our fish industry.


Unfortunately, this is exactly right. We are literally getting gang banged. One caveat - much of the American restaurant industry is held by foreign money, even if not on paper. CCA- Exxon, PEW- Sun Oil.

Do the math folks, they are screwing us now on the cost of fuel, all those new sites are going to cost trillions to get going, somebodies gonna pay for it and you don't really think all those fat oilcats got that way by being foolish with their own money, do you?

Which creates an interesting conundrum- McCain is saying yes to E. Coast exploration/exploitation. You've gotta wonder about all that.
 

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You hit it right on the head JR....the future on the water is from services ON THE WATER, such as LNG terminals, and now oil drilling off our coasts. The number of jobs that will be avialable once the oil rigs start going up will give some people the opportunity to work on the water in well paying jobs...but the days of catching fish from our local waters are gradually waning as rising fuel costs, inflationary business expenses, and low landing limits will force many fishermen to leave the industry.

But who really cares except the commercial fishermen and their families, because when you have to choose between cheap and readily available fuel or fresh fish, you definitely know which one is going to win out.

Well I never thought in my lifetime I would see oil rigs springing up along the shelf in the northeast, but those days will be fast approaching. I just wonder if those oil companies will let us fish around their rigs and platforms.

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