Trolling Strategy w/ 30's and 50's

BJACK 30's verse 50's

Bjack I started fishing the Canyons with 50tw's and found I was fighting the rod and reel not the fish. I then went to the 30sw 2 speeds and loaded it up with 80 pound jinkia. I have landed big eyes up to 270 lbs. after a 2 hr battle. Yes the 50 or 80 tw?s would have helped but I found the reel did rather well. Now how often in the Canyon do you encounter the over 150 lbs. fish? Yes there are some but not as often as we like. So I take my chances with the light rig and reel. I now only use a Newell 646 3:1 which is a total paper weight and is awesome in power and for fighting big Allison?s. This is what the west coast guys have used and they are way ahead as far as tackle because they have the long range boats that need all types of gear to land 300 lbs. yellows and up! So for trolling you may have an issue on the long rigger rods with line capacity. but for up close that?s the way to go. For chunking the Newell?s are great well I think you?ll thank me after you use it? Also use stand up rods not long trolling rods. I use 5 ft. bent butt stand ups because the leverage you get on these babies is unsurpassed for stand up fighting. Hope this helps good luck out there.

Fishing for fun or meat?>>>

Well Mako mike I see you disagree with me but depending on your goal my question stated for sport fishing not meat fishing. When I go out commercially we fish nothing less then an 80'wide and some guy?s wont fish less then 130's. My reply was based on the topic of sport fishing. You cannot tell me that a 50 and up is a lot of weight for a rod and reel? I find that on longer battles the lighter rod is easier on your body. I get the same drag on a 30 as of the 50's I use 80lbs test set to 24 max drag. Most people spool with 80lbs on the 50's I spool my 50's with 100lbs and 30lbs drag. Yes I loose line capacity but I get more drag. I can tell you I have landed many giants on stand up 50 tw?s and 100lbs. test 200 jinkia leader. The only time you need the capacity is when your not going to come off the ball or trolling where you got a lot of line out on your riggers. Another thing I saw was big eyes only hit the short pattern . This is not true we had 4 big eyes one day on at once and all the riggers were hit. So that is not always the truth. I don?t think the theory of which line will get hit is 100% facts I have seen to many different hook ups from different species to say which line would be hit. But I do agree that flat lines with the big feathers have been a great success for big eyes over the years. But back to Mako?s response I hope you have tried a light setup with 80lbs test on it? If not try a Newell 646 or a 30 sw with 80 lbs and at least 20lbs of drag and you tell me which one you like.Also the rod has just as a important part in the deal. If you have a good 5ft 50 to 130 lbs class rod you could pump the fish up quicker so make sure you have good rods also. Trolling rods unless your using a chair are to long and wind up killing you not the fish. Remember it is not meat fishing just fun. You wan them in the boat quick then use the 50?s and up!

BIG nEWELLS

I HAVE BEEN USING THE 646 3:1 NEWELL AND HAVE LANDED FISH WELL OVER 200LBS. never FAILED ME.NEVER CHANGED THE WASHERS,JUST PREVENTIVE MANTANCE, YES I HAVE SEEN SOME BLOW UP BUT I GUESS I GOT A GOOD ONE. I HAVE THE FIRST 646 SERIS PUT OUT BEFORE MANY OF THE PARTS WERE CHANGED. THIS MAYBE 1 OF ONLY A FEW THAT WORK WELL.SO I'LL RETRACT MY STATEMENT ON NEWELL'S FOR TUNA BUT THE WEST COAST GUYS LIKE I SATED ABOVE HAVE TECHNOLOGY WAY AHEAD OF US HERE. I HAVE BLOWN UP SHIMANOS TLD SERIS ON FISH DOES THAT MAKE THEM BAD? A LOT HAS TO DO WITH THE GUY ON THE ROD. TO MUCH PRESSUER AND DRAG IS A KILLER ON LIGHTER STUFF. THE WORKED INTERNATIONALS I HAVE SEEN FROM THE WEST COAST ARE TOTALLY AWSOME AND EXPENSIVE. BUT THEY WORK WELL. I?LL POST SOME PICTURES UP OF SOME OF THE WEST COAT STUFF FOR YOU TO SEE. I?M SURE SOME OF YOU HAVE THE WEST COAST CUSTOMIZED STUFF SO PUT IT UP FOR US TO SEE? SORRY LEFT THE CAP LOCK ON !