Traps on Hempstead Reef
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I'm pretty sure it is illegal to set traps on a recreational reef. If this is the case couldn't the DEC remove them?
You're probably being a nice guy and asking him to remove them so he dosen't loose them. That's cool, but if you don't hear from him very soon, you should call the DEC.
BTW I hope he's not one of us.
You're probably being a nice guy and asking him to remove them so he dosen't loose them. That's cool, but if you don't hear from him very soon, you should call the DEC.
BTW I hope he's not one of us.
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Well Crabman, out of all the "reefs" off the south shore of Long Island, Hempstead falls mostly in federal waters,and is actually (mostly) out of bounds for recreational trap fishing for NYS rec permited lobster fishers, being (mostly) outside NYS 3 mile juristiction.
I believe you are half correct, someone correct me if I'm wrong, as far as setting gear on a state reef, the rule how I read it, is no "fish" pots within 500 ft. of a state managed reef, nothing about lobster gear. I have fished both AB and Fire Island reefs over the years using lobster pots and never had an issue with compliance.
I'm just trying to let the fisher know that, if in fact they are a rec permited fisher, that the boundery for setting recreational lobster/fish traps/pots is out to 3 miles from shore, that is New York waters. That's where you can set your 5 recreational pots- in state waters - not past the 3 mile line.
Now on the other hand, if this fisher is a comm guy, word is, better mark your gear properly - or get it out of town - or a call will be made for sure.
My siggy below? LCMT area 4, - Lobster Conservarion Mangenent Team - I'm one of the team leaders that represent the areas comm lobster fishers at the lobster meetings for all of us fishing lobsters off LI in area 4, sort of gives me an interest in what's going on in my back yard, if you know what I mean.
I believe you are half correct, someone correct me if I'm wrong, as far as setting gear on a state reef, the rule how I read it, is no "fish" pots within 500 ft. of a state managed reef, nothing about lobster gear. I have fished both AB and Fire Island reefs over the years using lobster pots and never had an issue with compliance.
I'm just trying to let the fisher know that, if in fact they are a rec permited fisher, that the boundery for setting recreational lobster/fish traps/pots is out to 3 miles from shore, that is New York waters. That's where you can set your 5 recreational pots- in state waters - not past the 3 mile line.
Now on the other hand, if this fisher is a comm guy, word is, better mark your gear properly - or get it out of town - or a call will be made for sure.
My siggy below? LCMT area 4, - Lobster Conservarion Mangenent Team - I'm one of the team leaders that represent the areas comm lobster fishers at the lobster meetings for all of us fishing lobsters off LI in area 4, sort of gives me an interest in what's going on in my back yard, if you know what I mean.
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The reef is over 3 miles from shore it is about 4. I went out there today saw the red pots but I also saw a few blue flags like at cholera. Are those yours LobsterD?
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I was at Cholera today and I saw pots without flyers attached to them, some were just styrofoam floats and others were floats with bare sticks attached to them.
I know your floats pretty well, and I'm not sure those were yours.
They were set right in my favorite area to drift.....also something I never saw your setting around there.
I know your floats pretty well, and I'm not sure those were yours.
They were set right in my favorite area to drift.....also something I never saw your setting around there.
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I try to keep all my gear the same, pvc/blue foam float, blue/purple tops, and each flag is taged, just like the tag in my traps, with an orange ID tag with the boats federal numbers,boat name and my tele #.
Whatever else you saw out on cholera Grady, other than Raindow 11's flags with the orange tops, would possibly be the newbe setting the new red float gear. That's the person I'm looking to talk to -- about his unmarked flags and whether or not he has the right permits, state and/or fed. -- which leads me to think there might be something else wrong about the way things might be.
Funny how the new red stuff looks like the way the crabman in the deadlest catch set their gear, float and flag teather.
Whatever else you saw out on cholera Grady, other than Raindow 11's flags with the orange tops, would possibly be the newbe setting the new red float gear. That's the person I'm looking to talk to -- about his unmarked flags and whether or not he has the right permits, state and/or fed. -- which leads me to think there might be something else wrong about the way things might be.
Funny how the new red stuff looks like the way the crabman in the deadlest catch set their gear, float and flag teather.
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Lobster,saturday while on the AB reef I noticed a small 20-21' boat (maybe a whaler)with 2 guys pulling what appeared to be fish traps.It had red flags and were set in 65' of water.I'm not sure if he was legal.He didn't come close enough for a vessel name or numbers.
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Fished a piece off the Jones that had the pots marked with the red bouys. Pulled one in as it had snared our gear ( or we snared it). It was a lobster pot with fresh cut bunker or something. We put it back down right away. It was the only one on the bouy, not part of a set. Hope that helps answer the question.
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tom-loves-cod, did you happen to notice if that trap had tags like this attachet to it? Usually on the traps bridge near where you would hang bait.
The bottom tag is issued to the fisher either from NYS for state waters or NMFS for fishing in federal waters.
Without these tags, trapping is a no-no.
The bottom tag is issued to the fisher either from NYS for state waters or NMFS for fishing in federal waters.
Without these tags, trapping is a no-no.
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Bayrat your avatar sucks.
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Lobster traps??
Last year about this time I put two traps more than 500ft south of Fire Island reef on some structure. The traps were registered and everything was legal. They didn't even last a week before someone stole them???. They whipped me out about $400. I called DEC to see if they had my traps, nada. I was so pissed that a fellow fisherman can just take someones equipment like that. There are scum bags out there guys, so be carefull where you leave those traps.
Last year about this time I put two traps more than 500ft south of Fire Island reef on some structure. The traps were registered and everything was legal. They didn't even last a week before someone stole them???. They whipped me out about $400. I called DEC to see if they had my traps, nada. I was so pissed that a fellow fisherman can just take someones equipment like that. There are scum bags out there guys, so be carefull where you leave those traps.
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Dick,
You are right whoever is setting the gear needs to be talked to. People also need to know there is NO RECREATIONAL LOBSTERING IN FEDERAL WATERS.
Not true. I checked on this a few years back and there is no law on the books against it. Anyone can recreationally lobster in federal waters.
Dick,
You are right whoever is setting the gear needs to be talked to. People also need to know there is NO RECREATIONAL LOBSTERING IN FEDERAL WATERS.
Not true. I checked on this a few years back and there is no law on the books against it. Anyone can recreationally lobster in federal waters.
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Well Chief, you better check your rubbers for holes.
Please review Title 50 CRF 697.7(c)(2)(D). 2 and D are listed below:
(2) In addition to the prohibitions specified in §600.725 of this chapter and the prohibitions specified in paragraph (c)(1) of this section, it is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(D) The American lobsters were harvested by a recreational fishing vessel;
Please review Title 50 CRF 697.7(c)(2)(D). 2 and D are listed below:
(2) In addition to the prohibitions specified in §600.725 of this chapter and the prohibitions specified in paragraph (c)(1) of this section, it is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(D) The American lobsters were harvested by a recreational fishing vessel;
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Frigate wrote:
Well Chief, you better check your rubbers for holes.
Please review Title 50 CRF 697.7(c)(2)(D). 2 and D are listed below:
(2) In addition to the prohibitions specified in §600.725 of this chapter and the prohibitions specified in paragraph (c)(1) of this section, it is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(D) The American lobsters were harvested by a recreational fishing vessel;
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How about a link? I'd like to read that one for myself instead of the reader's digest internet lawyer condensed cribnote addition.
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Well Chief, you better check your rubbers for holes.
Please review Title 50 CRF 697.7(c)(2)(D). 2 and D are listed below:
(2) In addition to the prohibitions specified in §600.725 of this chapter and the prohibitions specified in paragraph (c)(1) of this section, it is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(D) The American lobsters were harvested by a recreational fishing vessel;
???
How about a link? I'd like to read that one for myself instead of the reader's digest internet lawyer condensed cribnote addition.
Thanks!
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Frigate wrote:
Well Chief, you better check your rubbers for holes.
Please review Title 50 CRF 697.7(c)(2)(D). 2 and D are listed below:
(2) In addition to the prohibitions specified in §600.725 of this chapter and the prohibitions specified in paragraph (c)(1) of this section, it is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(D) The American lobsters were harvested by a recreational fishing vessel;
But you left out this part "C) The American lobsters were harvested by a charter boat, head boat, or commercial dive vessel that possesses six or fewer American lobsters per person on board the vessel and the lobsters are not intended to be, or are not, traded, bartered, or sold; or"
So how do you tell pots set by a charter boat vs pots set by a recreational boat?
Scott you can find the whole thing at Lobsters
Well Chief, you better check your rubbers for holes.
Please review Title 50 CRF 697.7(c)(2)(D). 2 and D are listed below:
(2) In addition to the prohibitions specified in §600.725 of this chapter and the prohibitions specified in paragraph (c)(1) of this section, it is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(D) The American lobsters were harvested by a recreational fishing vessel;
But you left out this part "C) The American lobsters were harvested by a charter boat, head boat, or commercial dive vessel that possesses six or fewer American lobsters per person on board the vessel and the lobsters are not intended to be, or are not, traded, bartered, or sold; or"
So how do you tell pots set by a charter boat vs pots set by a recreational boat?
Scott you can find the whole thing at Lobsters
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Mike,
Take alook at the federal vessel permit aplication. In the instructions (page 9) it says all lobster permits including charter/party boat are limited entry. Under number 2 it says, Charter/Party-Non Trap. Includes all gear types except pots and traps. Hope that answers your question.
Take alook at the federal vessel permit aplication. In the instructions (page 9) it says all lobster permits including charter/party boat are limited entry. Under number 2 it says, Charter/Party-Non Trap. Includes all gear types except pots and traps. Hope that answers your question.
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