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Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices
By William Tate

June 16, 2008
Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices
By William Tate
This started out as an attempt to create a light and humorous, Letterman-esque Top 10 list. But the items on the list, and the drain Americans are seeing in their pocketbooks because of Democrats' actions (sometimes inaction) are just too tragic for that.

10) ANWR If Bill Clinton had signed into law the Republican Congress's 1995 bill to allow drilling of ANWR instead of vetoing it, ANWR could be producing a million barrels of (non-Opec) oil a day--5% of the nation's consumption. Although speaking in another context, even Democrat Senator Charles Schumer, no proponent of ANWR drilling, admits that "one million barrels per day," would cause the price of gasoline to fall "50 cents a gallon almost immediately," according to a recent George Will column.

9) Coastal Drilling (i.e., not in my backyard) Democrats have consistently fought efforts to drill off the U.S. coast, as evidenced by Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz's preotestation against a failed 2005 bill: "Not only does this legislation dismantle the bi-partisan ban on offshore drilling, but it provides a financial incentive for states to do so."
A financial incentive? With the Chinese now slant drilling for oil just 50 miles off the Florida coast, wouldn't that have been a good thing?

8 ) Insistence on alternative fuels One of the first acts of the new Democrat-controlled congress in 2007 was an energy bill that "calls for a huge increase in the use of ethanol as a motor fuel and requires new appliance efficiency standards." By focusing on alternative fuels such as ethanol, and not more drilling, Democrats have added to the cost of food, worsening starvation problems around the word and increasing inflationary pressures in the U.S., including prices at the pump.

7) Nuclear power Even the French, who sometimes seem to lack the backbone to stand up for anything other than soft cheese, faced down their environmentalists over the need for nuclear power. France now generates 79% of its electricity from nuclear plants, mitigating the need for imported oil. The French have so much cheap energy that France has become the world's largest exporter of electric power. They have plans in place to build more reactors, including an experimental fusion reactor.

The last nuclear reactor built in the United States, according to the US Dept of Energy, was the "River Bend" plant in Louisiana. Its construction began in March of 1977.

Need I say more?

6) Coal "The liquid hydrocarbon fuel available from American coal reserves exceeds the crude oil reserves of the entire world," writes Dr. Arthur Robinson in an article on humanevents.com. The U.S. has approximately one-fourth of the world's known, proven coal reserves. Coal would be a proven, and increasingly clean, source of electric power and--at current prices--a liquified fuel that would reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Yet Dems and their enviro friends have fought, and continue to fight, both coal-mining and coal plants.

5) Refinery capacity "High oil prices are still being propped up by a shortage of refinery capacity and there is little sign of the bottleneck easing until 2010," according to Peak Oil News. And, while voters in South Dakota have approved zoning for what could become the first new oil refinery in the United States in 30 years, the Dems' environmentalist constituency vows to oppose it, just like environmentalists opposed the floodgates that could have saved New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina.

4) Reduced competition With consolidation in the oil industry, has come reduced competition. Remember, most of the major oil company mergers -- Shell-Texaco, BP-Amoco, Exxon-Mobil, BP-ARCO, and Chevron-Texaco -- happened on Clinton's watch. The number of oil refiners dropped from 28 to 19 companies during Clinton's two terms.

3) The Global Warming Myth At a Group of 8 meeting this week, host and Japanese Economy, Trade and Industry Minister Akira Amari "described the issues of climate change and energy as two sides of the same coin and proposed united solutions ... to address both issues simultaneously". As a result of Global Warming hysteria, the Al Gore-negotiated Kyoto Protocol created a worldwide market in carbon-emissions trading. Both 2005 --the year that trading was initiated--and this year --when the trading expanded dramatically -- saw substantial and unexpected price spikes in the cost of oil, leading us to reason Number...

2) Speculation "Given the unchanged equilibrium in global oil supply and demand over recent months amid the explosive rise in oil futures prices ... it is more likely that as much as 60% of the today oil price is pure speculation," writes F. William Engdahl, an Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization. According to a June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report, US energy futures historically "were traded exclusively on regulated exchanges within the United States... The trading of energy commodities by large firms on OTC electronic exchanges was exempted from (federal) oversight by a provision inserted at the behest of Enron and other large energy traders into the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000." The bill was signed into law by Bill Clinton, in one of his last acts in office.

1) Defeat of President Bush's 2001 energy package According to the BBC, "Key points of Bush('s 2001) plan were to:

-Promote new oil and gas drilling

-Build new nuclear plants

-Improve electricity grid and build new pipelines -$10bn in tax breaks to promote energy efficiency and alternative fuels

A New York Times article, dated May 18, 2001, explained:

"President Bush began an intensive effort today to sell his plan for developing new sources of energy to Congress and the American people, arguing that the country had a future of 'energy abundance if it could break free of the traditional antagonism between energy producers and environmental advocates.

Mr. Bush's plea for a new dialogue came as his administration published the report of an energy task force containing scores of specific proposals... for finding new sources of power and encouraging a range of new energy technologies."

[The Bush plan] "mentions about a dozen areas including land-use restrictions in the Rockies, lease stipulations on offshore areas attractive to oil companies, the vetting of locations for nuclear plants, environmental reviews to upgrade power plants and refineries that could be streamlined or eliminated to help industry find more oil and gas and produce more electricity and gasoline."

The article went on to quote some rather prescient words from the President, "this great country could face a darker future, a future that is, unfortunately, being previewed in rising prices at the gas pump and rolling blackouts in the great state of California" if his plan was not adopted in 2001.

The Times account continued:

"Mr. Bush talked not only of blackouts but of blackmail, raising the specter of a future in which the United States is increasingly vulnerable to foreign oil suppliers...Mr. Bush was praised by many groups for laying out a long-term energy policy. His report contained 105 initiatives..."

Just as President Bush's predictions have been born out, the article quoted from that most sage of Democrats, former President Jimmy Carter:

"World supplies are adequate and reasonably stable, price fluctuations are cyclical, reserves are plentiful," he (Carter) argued. Mr. Carter said "exaggerated claims seem designed to promote some long-frustrated ambitions of the oil industry at the expense of environmental quality."

But, as a later Times article notes, "the president's ambitious policy quickly became a casualty of energy politics and, notably, harsh criticism from Democrats enraged by the way the White House had created the plan."

In other words, Democrats refused the President's plea to "break free of the traditional antagonism between energy producers and environmental advocates."

Remember that the next time you pull up to the pump ... or the voter's booth.
 

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OMG if I hear it's the dems fault for not drilling one more time:

We are not Saudi Arabia, all our untapped reserves can only pump out 2 million barrells a day.. worldwide demand is 85 million barrells..

Saudi's say "no shortage" and I agree.. anyone waiting for gas?

Drill more.. pump more for what? Think they'll pass the 5 cents a gallon to you?

Please..

getting old...
 

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Mcain's answer:

Lower taxes on the oil companies. They will then find a new energy source because they are just, good guys


No more oil. Can anyone say natural gas? That we have plenty of.

Or be ready to send your kids to defend "America's interest" all over the oil world.

Wake up.
 

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likeitreallyis wrote:
OMG if I hear it's the dems fault for not drilling one more time:

We are not Saudi Arabia, all our untapped reserves can only pump out 2 million barrells a day.. worldwide demand is 85 million barrells..

Saudi's say "no shortage" and I agree.. anyone waiting for gas?

Drill more.. pump more for what? Think they'll pass the 5 cents a gallon to you?

Please..

getting old...


3 of 10 points touched on drilling. :rolleyes:
Of course we want to dismiss this, and the 7 other valid factual points addressed here.
No accountability for anything. The Democratic Credo!!
 

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likeitreallyis wrote:
OMG if I hear it's the dems fault for not drilling one more time:

We are not Saudi Arabia, all our untapped reserves can only pump out 2 million barrells a day.. worldwide demand is 85 million barrells..

Saudi's say "no shortage" and I agree.. anyone waiting for gas?

Drill more.. pump more for what? Think they'll pass the 5 cents a gallon to you?

Please..

getting old...


Well since you doubled up on your nonsense
I'll double up on my retort. I'll throw the BS flag on that one. ANWAR alone is estimed at 2 million BPD, what about all of the other potential sites up and down all of the coasts? what about the tar sands and oil shale that the Democrats won't let be used? ANWAR is not the only untapped reserve that we have right here in the U.S. and there are probably more that just haven't been found yet, and won't be if the Democrats have their way.
 

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MakoMike wrote:
likeitreallyis wrote:
OMG if I hear it's the dems fault for not drilling one more time:

We are not Saudi Arabia, all our untapped reserves can only pump out 2 million barrells a day.. worldwide demand is 85 million barrells..

Saudi's say "no shortage" and I agree.. anyone waiting for gas?

Drill more.. pump more for what? Think they'll pass the 5 cents a gallon to you?

Please..

getting old...


Well since you doubled up on your nonsense
I'll double up on my retort. I'll throw the BS flag on that one. ANWAR alone is estimed at 2 million BPD, what about all of the other potential sites up and down all of the coasts? what about the tar sands and oil shale that the Democrats won't let be used? ANWAR is not the only untapped reserve that we have right here in the U.S. and there are probably more that just haven't been found yet, and won't be if the Democrats have their way.

WE have more natural gas than oil Mike.
 

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not going to argue this anymnore.. you guys for some reason see oil as the future. I don't. And with a world striving for oil domination we won't have long anyway before the Chinese get it all anyway.

And then we'll ask the repubs: Where did all that tax break money go?



 

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likeitreallyis wrote:
Mcain's answer:

Lower taxes on the oil companies. They will then find a new energy source because they are just, good guys


No more oil. Can anyone say natural gas? That we have plenty of.

Or be ready to send your kids to defend "America's interest" all over the oil world.

Wake up.

Wide awake here.
Did you even read the list? See Point 1.
Your gas requires drilling too..but your party is bought and paid for by Greenies that are against ANY drilling. SO if you have no natual gas you can blame them too.

They would rather trade for carbon credits, while China sets up drilling 50 miles off FLA....
Funny, I seem to recall another high level Demo had some dealings with China...hummm who was that again?
LMAO...
 

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likeitreallyis wrote:
MakoMike wrote:
likeitreallyis wrote:
OMG if I hear it's the dems fault for not drilling one more time:

We are not Saudi Arabia, all our untapped reserves can only pump out 2 million barrells a day.. worldwide demand is 85 million barrells..

Saudi's say "no shortage" and I agree.. anyone waiting for gas?

Drill more.. pump more for what? Think they'll pass the 5 cents a gallon to you?

Please..

getting old...


Well since you doubled up on your nonsense
I'll double up on my retort. I'll throw the BS flag on that one. ANWAR alone is estimed at 2 million BPD, what about all of the other potential sites up and down all of the coasts? what about the tar sands and oil shale that the Democrats won't let be used? ANWAR is not the only untapped reserve that we have right here in the U.S. and there are probably more that just haven't been found yet, and won't be if the Democrats have their way.

WE have more natural gas than oil Mike.

maybe, but no one will know until we finish exploring for it. Even if we do, oil and gas are virtually interchangable, at least when it come to fuel, and you still have drill for and transport the gas. You think the envirowackos are going to give you a free pass because you're dealing with gas and not oil? And what about all the other petrochemicals, like plastic, we have come to know and love. How are we going to produce those without any oil. back to wooden boats?
 

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FredyFluke wrote:
likeitreallyis wrote:
Mcain's answer:

Lower taxes on the oil companies. They will then find a new energy source because they are just, good guys


No more oil. Can anyone say natural gas? That we have plenty of.

Or be ready to send your kids to defend "America's interest" all over the oil world.

Wake up.

Wide awake here.
Did you even read the list? See Point 1.
Your gas requires drilling too..but your party is bought and paid for by Greenies that are against ANY drilling. SO if you have no natual gas you can blame them too.

They would rather trade for carbon credits, while China sets up drilling 50 miles off FLA....
Funny, I seem to recall another high level Demo had some dealings with China...hummm who was that again?
LMAO...

Glad you're laughing... We don't have enough oil to be a world player. Period. Yet that is all you'll hear how it's all the dems fault how they can't drill more...
 

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LMFAO!!! Time for a valium or two there LIRI!


That's allot of words you typed there without really refuting any of the 10 items on the list. At least when the lefties post something around here those of us on the right refute it point by point and item by item. But wait, I forgot, that's because most of the stuff from the left is talking point rants and the stuff from the right is sourced and factual. Silly me!


So, rather than a "enjoy your rose colored glasses" retorts, howsabout you take one of the 10 items in the list and explain to us how it it wrong, and back it your retort with a source or two.Come-on, you;re a smart guy! You can do it!
 

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likeitreallyis wrote:
FredyFluke wrote:
likeitreallyis wrote:
Mcain's answer:

Lower taxes on the oil companies. They will then find a new energy source because they are just, good guys


No more oil. Can anyone say natural gas? That we have plenty of.

Or be ready to send your kids to defend "America's interest" all over the oil world.

Wake up.

Wide awake here.
Did you even read the list? See Point 1.
Your gas requires drilling too..but your party is bought and paid for by Greenies that are against ANY drilling. SO if you have no natual gas you can blame them too.

They would rather trade for carbon credits, while China sets up drilling 50 miles off FLA....
Funny, I seem to recall another high level Demo had some dealings with China...hummm who was that again?
LMAO...

Glad you're laughing... We don't have enough oil to be a world player. Period. Yet that is all you'll hear how it's all the dems fault how they can't drill more...

No, not enough to be a world player...we do, however, have enough to supplement, and reduce, our dependency on foreign oil, NOW.
And drilling is only a piece of it. But a very big piece for if you can't even get it out of the ground what good is it?

The Envirowackos as MM calls them, are not interested in only oil, they are against any fossil fuels...that includes natural gas drilling, shale and coal.

Until a more abundant, safe alternative is found, (and it has yet to be found), I am sorry to say (again) that oil is still the most abundant, cost effective, and efficient energy source on the plant.

Like it or not, that is what we got. Better to accept that and deal with it properly now, than spend your kids college fund to heat your house, and have nothing for them later, and then still not have an alternative.

Funny is that Mr. Obama is running on his so called change platform. At the head of the list for him is to take on the lobbists in D.C.
He does not talk about what is perhaps the largest lobby in D.C. and that is the Enviromentalists...
What is he going to do with them? Maybe the same thing he did with his Preacher? Somehow I doubt it.

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Scott top 3 posts are about drilling that magical reserve that does not have enough oil to have an impact on the cost.... but keep trying I know when times are good it's the republican president and when they are bad it's the democratic congress.. I know I know,,,

I think you and Mike may be closet Saudis. Oil is not the future... argue all you want you won't find reserves to offset the cost. When you do, please wake me.

Mcain will win don't worry. The rich will be nice and create all sorts of jobs for the economy woth the money too


In China..

Oh yeah can I have those tax breaks in Euros?
 

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Gaucho wrote:
So Bush had no power for 8 years?..huh:confused:
Cheney and Halliburton have no power??

ummmmm.....I voted for these guys cause I thought they had lots of pull!
Unfortunately (or fortunately if Obama manages to win) the President is only one tier of a three tiered government. He can't just decide to start drilling. Bush made that proposal back in 2001 (as referenced in item #1 of the top ten list) but the democrats opposed it.

So, to answer you question, NO. Bush did NOT have the power to take that action without action by the congress as well. Unfortunately, Bill Clinton did have the authority to VETO that action when it WAS taken by the REPUBLICAN Congress! (See Item #10)

Poly-Sci Lesson Over!
 

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No, not enough to be a world player...we do, however, have enough to supplement, and reduce, our dependency on foreign oil, NOW.
And drilling is only a piece of it. But a very big piece for if you can't even get it out of the ground what good is it?

The Envirowackos as MM calls them, are not interested in only oil, they are against any fossil fuels...that includes natural gas drilling, shale and coal.

Until a more abundant, safe alternative is found, (and it has yet to be found), I am sorry to say (again) that oil is still the most abundant, cost effective, and efficient energy source on the plant.

Like it or not, that is what we got. Better to accept that and deal with it properly now, than spend your kids college fund to heat your house, and have nothing for them later, and then still not have an alternative.

Funny is that Mr. Obama is running on his so called change platform. At the head of the list for him is to take on the lobbists in D.C.
He does not talk about what is pehaps the largest labboy in D.C. and that is the Enviromentalists...
What is he going to do with them? Maybe the same thing he did with his Preacher? Somehow I doubt it.

When all else fails blame the preacher, avoid the issues, it will work for Mcain don't worry..

The infrastructure needed to tap into 2 million barrells will take until 2025 to produce at that rate. by that time 100 million barrells a day will be the demand at this pace.. so instead of 100 million barrells there will be 102 million at the cost of the rockies, alaska, the coasts.. etc. with NO change in the price to you but more profit for them in decreased transportation costs. Oh yeah, forgot you republicans believe the rich are really nice people and are looking out for you and your job. Now I'm laughing


Not enough for the average guy like me to think the risk/reward would warrent drilling for oil. ZZZZ.

Now with public sentiment running high against oil (unless you are scott or mike) drilling for a new virtually unlimited supply of natural gas will drive public sentiment to re-write some of the laws.. but to try and let them drill for a drop in the bucket is not going to get everyone's support. Not mine. Save the Rockies and Alaska for my grandkids to visit in thier hydrogen car.

Or bury them and put "oil is still the most abundant, cost effective, and efficient energy source on the plant" on thier tombstones.
 

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likeitreallyis wrote:
Scott top 3 posts are about drilling that magical reserve that does not have enough oil to have an impact on the cost.... but keep trying I know when times are good it's the republican president and when they are bad it's the democratic congress.. I know I know,,,

LMAO!! Soooooooo predictable.
The Top three posts?? I guess that which would be in the order of 10, 9, 8 on the list? They are about allot more than just the 2 millioin BPD that Schumer says would reduce the price by .$50 gallon alone. It includes ALL of our coastal drilling!. Some of which is currently being angle drilled into right now by the Chinese you love so much!

likeitreallyis wrote:
I think you and Mike may be closet Saudis. Oil is not the future... argue all you want you won't find reserves to offset the cost. When you do, please wake me. Apparently the people who would do the drilling think so. But, allas, you and your crystal ball know they aren't there or aren't worth it. Didn't know you were a Geologist?

likeitreallyis wrote:

Oh yeah can I have those tax breaks in Euros?

I thought the tax breaks were only for the rich??:confused:
 
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