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Fish Culture Engineer (Maintenance Supervisor)

Location: Vermont Department of Fish & Wildlife, Grand Isle, VT

Responsibilities: Permanent, full time position at the Ed Weed Fish Culture Station. Duties include; responsibility of ensuring the continuous and effective functioning of highly sophisticated equipment (e.g. pumps, computer controllers, filters, generators, etc. Responsibility of maintaining the operation of an on site wastewater treatment facility. Establish and conduct a preventative maintenance program for all operational equipment; assigning and supervising maintenance activities at the facility. Respond to emergencies involving equipment failures and take action to ensure that appropriate fish rearing conditions are maintained or quickly restored. Trains all facility personnel in maintenance, emergency response and safety procedures. Arrange for repairs or maintenance that cannot be accomplished by staff. Assist in the oversight of capital projects at the facility. Participate in fish culture activities and assist in public outreach efforts. Provide engineering assistance for the four other Vermont Fish and Wildlife fish culture stations. Develop capital appropriation requests and collaborate in the planning of future upgrades to all five fish culture stations. Work is performed under the direction of the station Fish Culture Specialist VI. On site housing is provided as condition of employment.

Minimum Qualifications: Education: Education: Bachelor?s degree in electrical or mechanical engineering.

Experience: Two years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems.

Notes: Or Associates degree in electrical or mechanical engineering with four years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems or a bachelor?s degree in an engineering discipline with four years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems, or high school graduation or GED equivalent with six years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems.

Incumbents must acquire a pesticide applicator?s license, a wastewater II operator?s certificate and successfully complete the Division?s training course in fish culture.

Starting Salary: Pay grade 23 ($19.50/hr, $20.43/hr) upon successful completion of six-month probationary period, plus 20% base weekly salary per week as compensation for all overtime worked.

Closing Date: 4/15/08

Contact: Kevin Kelsey (802) 372-3171 [email protected]

Apply online at www.vtstatejobs.info

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4 years of college? previous experience? for 20 bucks an hour? You've got to be joking....why not just become an electrician and make 75$ an hour, with all that education and experience? Starting journeymans pay is better than that for petes sake.
 

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Don't forget about plumbers, they make good money too ! It's a safer, albeit dirtier job then an electrician....zaaaap.


Loligo, you need to relax a bit. You're geting worked up over stuff there is no need to get worked up over.

This post edited by GradySailfish 12:04 PM 03/19/2008
 

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Going to college isin't always about making yourself more marketable to make more money. I know plenty of non college graduates who did exceptionally for themselves. The trades are a lost art, becoming dominated not by our kids taught by our tradeschools, but by immigrants though apprentichsips.

I've met people with advanced degree's who coulden't think there way out of a paper bag.

I've also met people who barely graduated High School, who I consider brilliant.

Success in school, or level in schooling isin't always indicative of someones true intelligence.

One of the materially weathiest people I know is a cabinet maker. Sure he has his own company, but he started off as an apprentice, worked his way up and eventually started his own company. I don't even think he graduated college. He does his craft because he loves it.

One of the materially poorest people I know has a JD from Columbia. He works on human rights cases basically pro-bouno and teaches part-time. He does his craft because he loves what he does.

The $$$$ or lackthereoff is secondary.

Just becasue you went to college, that doesn't mean you will make more money then someone who went to trade school. Both are equal. Actually I think there are too many people going to college nowadays, and not trade schools or learning the trades through apprenticships.

If you want to make money, find whatever career you think you can make it in, and work hard. Eventually if you made a decent choice, the money will come.
 

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loligo wrote:
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Job Announcement

Fish Culture Engineer (Maintenance Supervisor)

Location: Vermont Department of Fish & Wildlife, Grand Isle, VT

Responsibilities: Permanent, full time position at the Ed Weed Fish Culture Station. Duties include; responsibility of ensuring the continuous and effective functioning of highly sophisticated equipment (e.g. pumps, computer controllers, filters, generators, etc. Responsibility of maintaining the operation of an on site wastewater treatment facility. Establish and conduct a preventative maintenance program for all operational equipment; assigning and supervising maintenance activities at the facility. Respond to emergencies involving equipment failures and take action to ensure that appropriate fish rearing conditions are maintained or quickly restored. Trains all facility personnel in maintenance, emergency response and safety procedures. Arrange for repairs or maintenance that cannot be accomplished by staff. Assist in the oversight of capital projects at the facility. Participate in fish culture activities and assist in public outreach efforts. Provide engineering assistance for the four other Vermont Fish and Wildlife fish culture stations. Develop capital appropriation requests and collaborate in the planning of future upgrades to all five fish culture stations. Work is performed under the direction of the station Fish Culture Specialist VI. On site housing is provided as condition of employment.

Minimum Qualifications: Education: Education: Bachelor?s degree in electrical or mechanical engineering.

Experience: Two years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems.

Notes: Or Associates degree in electrical or mechanical engineering with four years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems or a bachelor?s degree in an engineering discipline with four years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems, or high school graduation or GED equivalent with six years work experience in electrical/mechanical systems.

Incumbents must acquire a pesticide applicator?s license, a wastewater II operator?s certificate and successfully complete the Division?s training course in fish culture.

Starting Salary: Pay grade 23 ($19.50/hr, $20.43/hr) upon successful completion of six-month probationary period, plus 20% base weekly salary per week as compensation for all overtime worked.

Closing Date: 4/15/08

Contact: Kevin Kelsey (802) 372-3171 [email protected]

Apply online at www.vtstatejobs.info

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4 years of college? previous experience? for 20 bucks an hour? You've got to be joking....why not just become an electrician and make 75$ an hour, with all that education and experience? Starting journeymans pay is better than that for petes sake.

Sounds like ti pays better than what you make? :rolleyes:
 

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GradySailfish wrote:

Just becasue you went to college, that doesn't mean you will make more money then someone who went to trade school. Both are equal. Actually I think there are too many people going to college nowadays, and not trade schools or learning the trades through apprenticships.

If you want to make money, find whatever career you think you can make it in, and work hard. Eventually if you made a decent choice, the money will come.


I don't know many folks who are willing to go to 4 years of college thinking they will only be able to make 20$ an hour when they are done...
 

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I don't know many folks who are willing to go to 4 years of college thinking they will only be able to make 20$ an hour when they are done.../quote]
After 4 years of college,
hopefully they would be smart enough to realize they
would earn $24.56 an hour, not $20

Starting Salary: Pay grade 23 ($19.50/hr, $20.43/hr) upon successful completion of six-month probationary period, plus 20% base weekly salary per week as compensation for all overtime worked.

That comes out to 50k a year.
Not many people graduating with a 4 year degree
find jobs at that pay level to start.

Maybe in LoligoLand its different,
but in the USA thats how it works.

Since you consider this a low salary,
maybe you are earning too much as a day laborer,
aka fisherman.
 

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Looking at those numbers, its not bad salary as HJ pointed out.

In NY, unless you graduate top of your class from a Tier 1 or 2 Law School, as a lawyer your only starting at about 60-65K per year.

So 50K per year straight out of college, not needing to bust your ass for 3 years at a graduate school and take the bar exam....not a bad deal.
 

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I guess the point I was trying to make is- that they want you to have a degree at all- it's just a glorified maintenance man job....

The idea that you need to go to school to learn how to repack a pump or wire a switch is ridiculous. This having to have a degree crap is ridiculous.

More govt. crap- subsidized education is needed why?

Anybody who's ever been a swimming pool tech could easily do that job....but they want you to spend thousands on a degree.

OK
 

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"4 years of college? previous experience? for 20 bucks an hour? You've got to be joking....why not just become an electrician and make 75$ an hour, with all that education and experience? Starting journeymans pay is better than that for petes sake. "

I didn't realize that most electricians made $75 an hour, or a little over $150,000 per year for a 40 hour week before overtime. Amazing the things I learn at this site.
 

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I didn't realize that most electricians made $75 an hour, or a little over $150,000 per year for a 40 hour week before overtime. Amazing the things I learn at this site.


Or a plumber- they make even more....
 

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loligo wrote:
GradySailfish wrote:

Just becasue you went to college, that doesn't mean you will make more money then someone who went to trade school. Both are equal. Actually I think there are too many people going to college nowadays, and not trade schools or learning the trades through apprenticships.

If you want to make money, find whatever career you think you can make it in, and work hard. Eventually if you made a decent choice, the money will come.


I don't know many folks who are willing to go to 4 years of college thinking they will only be able to make 20$ an hour when they are done...




Right here, buddy.


4 Years of schooling and off I go to Montana upon graduation to make $10/hour working on native trout conservation. Luckily, they tell me to expect 70 hour work weeks, so I will at least get overtime. All of my marine ecology classes were for nothing, turns out. Funny, huh?


Somebody's gotta save some of the fish left in this country...
 

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Did anyone think about the people who love what they do? Money really isn't everything. A friend of mine is an envionmental engineer and does not make much at all. He loves going to work everyday.

To start at 50k a year in Vt is not too shabby. It is also on an island in the middle of Lake Champlain. How cool is that?
 

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oops, I messed up.

loligo wrote:
I guess the point I was trying to make is- that they want you to have a degree at all- it's just a glorified maintenance man job....

The idea that you need to go to school to learn how to repack a pump or wire a switch is ridiculous. This having to have a degree crap is ridiculous.

More govt. crap- subsidized education is needed why?

Anybody who's ever been a swimming pool tech could easily do that job....but they want you to spend thousands on a degree.

Before I respond to squidly, I wanted to point out my error.
Didn't notice this in the job description:

"On site housing is provided as condition of employment."

Thats gotta be worth an extra 10-12k a year,
plus no car or driving to work expense.
Living on an island in Lake Champlain during the summer
must be rough, you probably have to beat the female tourists off with a gaff.:)

Why do you need a degree ?
For the job that you ASSume is a maintenance man,
because the job entails more responsibility that just keeping
the pumps running.

The reason for schooling is that it trains an individual how to think, reason and react,
or at least they attempt to accomplish that.

What is taught is only a base,
which employers look to build on.
 

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Spudders wrote:
Right here, buddy.

4 Years of schooling and off I go to Montana upon graduation to make $10/hour working on native trout conservation. Luckily, they tell me to expect 70 hour work weeks, so I will at least get overtime. All of my marine ecology classes were for nothing, turns out. Funny, huh?

Somebody's gotta save some of the fish left in this country...

Good Luck and have fun on your adventure

Keep us posted with some good pictures.
 

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Read further...

A GED would qualify, as per the notes section, with 6 years experience...No college necessary, boys.

Seems like a killer job to me, now all i have to do is get the wifey to move to cow land.;)
 

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Thanks much. I am looking forward to planting thousands of trees along the riparian edge of Yellowstone streams... :rolleyes:


Don't expect it to become a career, but you never know. The pictures I can make a promise on.

Here is some East Coast water and trout, 'cause every thread needs some pics.
 

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capndom wrote:
A GED would qualify, as per the notes section, with 6 years experience...No college necessary, boys.
Hey, squid, we can get you one of those GED things,
and maybe 6+ years of fixing bilge pumps will qualify you.


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