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What rod is it going on? I'd contact MeanBean on the sale board and buy his Jigmaster for $25, just because it's probably a decent reel, you can get your money back fairly easily, and you will need the other $105 for sinkers 
Else, I'd get a Newell, but the one to get (P332) is more like $200.....
Plus if you ever get a conventional surf rod, the Jigmaster isn't bad for dunking bunker.
PS, if it has a red spool, it's mine.....just kidding.
(This post edited by skatemaster on 04/18/2003)
Else, I'd get a Newell, but the one to get (P332) is more like $200.....Plus if you ever get a conventional surf rod, the Jigmaster isn't bad for dunking bunker.
PS, if it has a red spool, it's mine.....just kidding.
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addict - like skates says, what rod? And what is the intended use - inshore or off, North Folk, 17 Fathoms, all of those, none of those? Small boat or party boat?
I agree about the Newells, but I lean towards the smaller 220 and 229 regardless of area fished.
This subject was really beaten to death this past winter in numerous threads. A search here on the "Pros" board will give you more info than one would think its possible to find in one place.
There are other very nice reels out there to consider also - for a little more than you say you want to spend (About $155) you can get a sexy lever-drag AVET SX, my friend Capt XXX's favorite reel. he likes the anodized deep blue color choice and so do I.
Or for around $125, one of the "S" series Newells is fine for that app. Lightweight with big gears and drags, available in a choice of power vrs speed gear ratios and as corrosion-proof as anything else out there.
The new Penn 925Mag is a nice reel also, though a bit heavy for its size and the Diawa HV and Grand Wave 20's certainly could do the job.
Shimano makes a super reel with a levelwind called the TR100G or the larger version the TR200G - either one more than capable of killing any tog thatswims.
Let us know about the style of toggin' you want to do and you'll no doubt gets lots more suggestions.
rgds, Leprechaun
I agree about the Newells, but I lean towards the smaller 220 and 229 regardless of area fished.
This subject was really beaten to death this past winter in numerous threads. A search here on the "Pros" board will give you more info than one would think its possible to find in one place.
There are other very nice reels out there to consider also - for a little more than you say you want to spend (About $155) you can get a sexy lever-drag AVET SX, my friend Capt XXX's favorite reel. he likes the anodized deep blue color choice and so do I.
Or for around $125, one of the "S" series Newells is fine for that app. Lightweight with big gears and drags, available in a choice of power vrs speed gear ratios and as corrosion-proof as anything else out there.
The new Penn 925Mag is a nice reel also, though a bit heavy for its size and the Diawa HV and Grand Wave 20's certainly could do the job.
Shimano makes a super reel with a levelwind called the TR100G or the larger version the TR200G - either one more than capable of killing any tog thatswims.
Let us know about the style of toggin' you want to do and you'll no doubt gets lots more suggestions.
rgds, Leprechaun
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T3 is getting wierd. I'll defer.
sorry guys, but I do need a tog reel so I'm going to take the thread back.
I am aware of the older threads about blackfishing and equipment. I did do a search but I wanted some updated suggestions. I know most of the brands and the price points, but I really wanted to hear from anglers who might have used newer gear. I keep asking NE for a polling option, then I could simply list the options and get a quick poll. Maybe someday.
I've heard the SX has drag issues when used for toggin. Then I've also heard otherwise. I've heard diehard newell users say there's no comparison for toggin. Then I've heard otherwise.
So here's some info:
- This will be my only tog reel for now.
- Where: North Shore (hungtinton), Montauk, 17, Sheepshead bay, Central NJ - 80% partyboats
- Rod: whatelse? Lep muskie rod
- Preferences: lightweight, good handle, I'd also like to use this for bass, weaks, and blues.
I was seriously considering the avet sx until a friend told me he uses his newells for tog cuz something with the sx lever drag doesn't feel right when togging. Basically, I'd like to spend some money I saved <thanks Lep> on rods for a nice all around reel. <esp. toggin> need any more info?
sorry guys, but I do need a tog reel so I'm going to take the thread back.
I am aware of the older threads about blackfishing and equipment. I did do a search but I wanted some updated suggestions. I know most of the brands and the price points, but I really wanted to hear from anglers who might have used newer gear. I keep asking NE for a polling option, then I could simply list the options and get a quick poll. Maybe someday.
I've heard the SX has drag issues when used for toggin. Then I've also heard otherwise. I've heard diehard newell users say there's no comparison for toggin. Then I've heard otherwise.
So here's some info:
- This will be my only tog reel for now.
- Where: North Shore (hungtinton), Montauk, 17, Sheepshead bay, Central NJ - 80% partyboats
- Rod: whatelse? Lep muskie rod
- Preferences: lightweight, good handle, I'd also like to use this for bass, weaks, and blues.
I was seriously considering the avet sx until a friend told me he uses his newells for tog cuz something with the sx lever drag doesn't feel right when togging. Basically, I'd like to spend some money I saved <thanks Lep> on rods for a nice all around reel. <esp. toggin> need any more info?
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Its not that there's anything wrong per se with the AVET SX, its just that the reel's gear train gets a little stiff when the drag is tightened past a certain point. Like the point that would be important for tog fishing, for example.
Some say that this is no big deal, my friend CaptXXX for example doesn't think its any big deal. I agree, except for me to give up my Newells and move into a new reel type, that reels' gotta be perfect in its engineering, and that tightening, to me at least, indicates that more engineering needs to be done before I commit. After all, I spent YEARS tweeking and straightening out my old Newells and have them humming like sewing machines. Well, more like groaning like old dogs, but you get the idea.
Togmaster e-mailed me a while ago and said that he had gone thru his SX reel and cured most, if not all of this issue. But I can't remember how he did it, or if he ever talked about his upgrades in detail . . . too long ago, I guess.
I think for the Lep Stick the Newell 200 series is perfect. I use the 220 in both gear ratios on that rod for the applications you mention and also for drifting Springtime knothead seabass at Cholera - I like the 5:1 for tog seabass and the 3.6:1 for bassin', but others have other opinions of course.
The 229 is another option, but the extra width is unnecessary if you use braided line, the little 220 is just as strong and much nicer to palm all day long.
I doubt you will find a lighter, more powerful reel for the money.
rgds, Leprechaun
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Some say that this is no big deal, my friend CaptXXX for example doesn't think its any big deal. I agree, except for me to give up my Newells and move into a new reel type, that reels' gotta be perfect in its engineering, and that tightening, to me at least, indicates that more engineering needs to be done before I commit. After all, I spent YEARS tweeking and straightening out my old Newells and have them humming like sewing machines. Well, more like groaning like old dogs, but you get the idea.
Togmaster e-mailed me a while ago and said that he had gone thru his SX reel and cured most, if not all of this issue. But I can't remember how he did it, or if he ever talked about his upgrades in detail . . . too long ago, I guess.
I think for the Lep Stick the Newell 200 series is perfect. I use the 220 in both gear ratios on that rod for the applications you mention and also for drifting Springtime knothead seabass at Cholera - I like the 5:1 for tog seabass and the 3.6:1 for bassin', but others have other opinions of course.
The 229 is another option, but the extra width is unnecessary if you use braided line, the little 220 is just as strong and much nicer to palm all day long.
I doubt you will find a lighter, more powerful reel for the money.
rgds, Leprechaun
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Will a Newell or Avet base fit on the reel seat of a Lep stick (or any trigger grip)? Better check first. If the reel wiggles, even a little, or if it is held tight by the seat closing on the base, not the foot, you want a different reel or you need to rework the foot. Gotta check. A Newell 220 base might fit and a Newell 235 base might wiggle. I occasionally replace Newell bases with Penn bases, but you can't do this with most of Newell's newer reels.
There are probably a thousand guys locally who have tog'd with Newells. You do realize that the Avet appeared late last fall, and that very few guys who aren't early adopters or beta testers have tog'd with them. There are also whispers about 3:1 ratios and the slightly larger Avet MX making an appearance soon. I say that waiting to buy the Avet (if only for those 2 changes to appear and be field tested) may be worth your while.
Lep suggests a Shimano TRN100 (some other thread, long, long ago). Proven reel, around for years and years. That's something good you know. Handle is too small for me, but that's just me. Imagine cranking 12oz up a hundred feet, a hundred times in a day with that handle.
Check out it's big brother, the Shimano 15/30.
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There are probably a thousand guys locally who have tog'd with Newells. You do realize that the Avet appeared late last fall, and that very few guys who aren't early adopters or beta testers have tog'd with them. There are also whispers about 3:1 ratios and the slightly larger Avet MX making an appearance soon. I say that waiting to buy the Avet (if only for those 2 changes to appear and be field tested) may be worth your while.
Lep suggests a Shimano TRN100 (some other thread, long, long ago). Proven reel, around for years and years. That's something good you know. Handle is too small for me, but that's just me. Imagine cranking 12oz up a hundred feet, a hundred times in a day with that handle.
Check out it's big brother, the Shimano 15/30.
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lol - dammit Billy, lemme just look at my money a little more before I drop another c-note and change on "another fishing thingy?" <as per wife>. I just want to make sure as I'm no Trump these days.
Lep - I hear ya. Seems most roads to togville goes thru Newell. I just never liked the feel of newells. I don't know why!?!? So if you had to choose something other than a newell, what would ya say?
skate - btw...I invested in some bulk lead. I'm set for about 2 yrs.
Lep - I hear ya. Seems most roads to togville goes thru Newell. I just never liked the feel of newells. I don't know why!?!? So if you had to choose something other than a newell, what would ya say?
skate - btw...I invested in some bulk lead. I'm set for about 2 yrs.
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Tog Reel for the Lep Stick...
I think the 220 is the perfect reel for the Lep stick. I would opt for the quick retrieve -- especially for the tyros of this board. But the 220 will balance that outfit perfectly. Especially for the areas you will be fishing.
As far as the Avet SX goes... Let's see, I would say that this reel is more for the advanced tog fisherman. I like it. It's a really heavy duty reel in a small package and it can take the abuse that I give it. I have two reels and they both DO NOT BIND. I know one (1) person on this board who has a reel that binds. But then again I've had a few lemon Newells too! All of which were fix-able and have given me over a decade of service. But back to the Avet -- I like the lever drag since when you get a "hog of a tog" a ways off the bottom you can easily lighten up a bit on the drag so you won't pull the hook on him. I also like the lever drag to adjust the free spool tension -- this is a great feature for chunking bass in a ripping tide! I admit that operating the lever drag does take a bit of getting used to if you just don't fish with lever drag reels frequently, but that's why I say the Avet reel is more geared for an advanced user group as opposed to other simplier reels.
But from reading your intended uses and mounting it on the Lep Stick, I would opt for the 220. You really can't go wrong with that reel.
- Capt. Fred
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I think the 220 is the perfect reel for the Lep stick. I would opt for the quick retrieve -- especially for the tyros of this board. But the 220 will balance that outfit perfectly. Especially for the areas you will be fishing.
As far as the Avet SX goes... Let's see, I would say that this reel is more for the advanced tog fisherman. I like it. It's a really heavy duty reel in a small package and it can take the abuse that I give it. I have two reels and they both DO NOT BIND. I know one (1) person on this board who has a reel that binds. But then again I've had a few lemon Newells too! All of which were fix-able and have given me over a decade of service. But back to the Avet -- I like the lever drag since when you get a "hog of a tog" a ways off the bottom you can easily lighten up a bit on the drag so you won't pull the hook on him. I also like the lever drag to adjust the free spool tension -- this is a great feature for chunking bass in a ripping tide! I admit that operating the lever drag does take a bit of getting used to if you just don't fish with lever drag reels frequently, but that's why I say the Avet reel is more geared for an advanced user group as opposed to other simplier reels.
But from reading your intended uses and mounting it on the Lep Stick, I would opt for the 220. You really can't go wrong with that reel.
- Capt. Fred
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Come on Capt XXX, tell us how that lever drag super-reel worked out on that shortie tog you got there.
I've tried about 10 of those SX's out, including a "Fixed" example at George the local wholesaler's booth at Suffern and they ALL showed that gear-train stiffening to some degree. Including the "Fixed" one.
You gotta show me your reel to make me a believer.
addict - the "S" series Newells with the stainless reel seat foot-finger-thingies will go right into the Lep Stick's seat, no problem. That's what I use.
If I had to pick another reel, and I wouldn't if it were just for me, but if I had to do it, it would be the Penn 975CS or a Shimano Calcutta 400S with the optional power handle- both super reels, but both way more than you want to spend, for sure.
Or maybe I'd just wait a bit for the new Progear "Popularly priced" replacements for their 251 and 255. I hear those are going to be around $150.
All the reels mentioned are aluminum-framed, thus requiring much more care and maintenance than the tough little Newells.
I think that even 25 years after Carl Newell designed them, those reels are still tough to beat, all things considered.
Oh wait - there's another - the Penn 925mag. Around what you want to pay, but factory supplied with that 6:1 geartrain, its must be a toughie to use toggin. You'd have to get a set of the optional 5:1 or 4:1 gears to make that reel suitable to what you want to do. I keep hearing rumors about a new 915GS, we'll have to wait and see if the new owners over at Penn let that reel see the light of day. I also hear the prototypes have been in Europe for a year already, on the Professional Casting circuit or some such thing.
Can you believe that there even is such a thing as a "Pro Casting" circuit?
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Wanna see what I consider the ultimate toggin' reel?
Take a gander:
Shimano Ocea Jigger 1500P
The Japanese Trinidad 12, with a 5:1 retrieve instead of the U.S. model's 6:1 and a lock-up button for the spool so you can bust your rig out of the bottom without burning your thumb to cinders trying to lock the spool yourself.
About $301 a copy from Profishing.net and probably worth every penny.
For those that have all those pennies to spend on one tog reel, that is.
rgds, Leprechaun
I've tried about 10 of those SX's out, including a "Fixed" example at George the local wholesaler's booth at Suffern and they ALL showed that gear-train stiffening to some degree. Including the "Fixed" one.
You gotta show me your reel to make me a believer.
addict - the "S" series Newells with the stainless reel seat foot-finger-thingies will go right into the Lep Stick's seat, no problem. That's what I use.
If I had to pick another reel, and I wouldn't if it were just for me, but if I had to do it, it would be the Penn 975CS or a Shimano Calcutta 400S with the optional power handle- both super reels, but both way more than you want to spend, for sure.
Or maybe I'd just wait a bit for the new Progear "Popularly priced" replacements for their 251 and 255. I hear those are going to be around $150.
All the reels mentioned are aluminum-framed, thus requiring much more care and maintenance than the tough little Newells.
I think that even 25 years after Carl Newell designed them, those reels are still tough to beat, all things considered.
Oh wait - there's another - the Penn 925mag. Around what you want to pay, but factory supplied with that 6:1 geartrain, its must be a toughie to use toggin. You'd have to get a set of the optional 5:1 or 4:1 gears to make that reel suitable to what you want to do. I keep hearing rumors about a new 915GS, we'll have to wait and see if the new owners over at Penn let that reel see the light of day. I also hear the prototypes have been in Europe for a year already, on the Professional Casting circuit or some such thing.
Can you believe that there even is such a thing as a "Pro Casting" circuit?
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Wanna see what I consider the ultimate toggin' reel?
Take a gander:
Shimano Ocea Jigger 1500P
The Japanese Trinidad 12, with a 5:1 retrieve instead of the U.S. model's 6:1 and a lock-up button for the spool so you can bust your rig out of the bottom without burning your thumb to cinders trying to lock the spool yourself.
About $301 a copy from Profishing.net and probably worth every penny.
For those that have all those pennies to spend on one tog reel, that is.
rgds, Leprechaun
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