[Keepitreel62]

Just wanted to say that I enjoyed todays seminar and learned alot. It was nice to put faces to the names and many of the names who gave me great advice and tips over the past year. A special thanks to Kevin, Ken,and Eric for putting in there time and energy to give us a great afternoon.

I have to ask one thing and maybe get some feedback. After looking at the lures used in the spring, I came home and realized that I am not very well stocked or prepared for this spring. I am sure this is in a thread somewhere, so if someone knows please direct me. If not I would like to hear of some "must have lures." Thanks alot and hope to see you guys again soon.

 

[CHEVY1]

Keepitreel62 wrote:
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed todays seminar and learned alot. It was nice to put faces to the names and many of the names who gave me great advice and tips over the past year. A special thanks to Kevin, Ken,and Eric for putting in there time and energy to give us a great afternoon.

I have to ask one thing and maybe get some feedback. After looking at the lures used in the spring, I came home and realized that I am not very well stocked or prepared for this spring. I am sure this is in a thread somewhere, so if someone knows please direct me. If not I would like to hear of some "must have lures." Thanks alot and hope to see you guys again soon.

Send Ken a P.M. im sure he will give you a rundown

 

[toyotaoffroad91]

it also has to do with the location your fishing.
in the early spring i mainly focus on the north shore
up here i stay tiny and get bigger as the weeks progress
i enjoy using small mambo minnows/ bombers..pencils i had a good deal of fish on the small bass assassin also.. one of my favorite lures when the sand eels are around are a 007 jig with green tube on it, or a needle fish i just picked up a couple of small 1 oz bob haun metal lips and am very temped to give them a try also.
but at the first time i see some oil slicks knowing are bunker around...GO BIG or go home haha... you will usually be generously rewarded. its late a have a few in me...so im sure ill chime back it a little later..

 

[likeitreallyis]

I like the rebel minnows, and white ss popper on N shore early

 

[frankiesurf]

If you can find the clear green Bomber then grab it. Had some success with that when sandeels were around.

 

[LeoDA]

About size

You size the lure to the bait around. Most baitfish are smaller in spring, hence smaller lures generally used in spring.

 

[frankiesurf]

I forgot to mention something about the seminar. I hope everyone paid attention to I Have Gills when he did the presentation about line and knots. He did an amazing job of sorting out all the data compiled by Doug Olander. Obviously not an easy task.
I thought there would be more guys in the back taking advantage of the knowledge Eric has about knots and line. Especially since knots are such an important part of landing your trophy bass.
The story he had about his knot tying skill that was tested on a party boat was pretty amazing.
I know I will be changing my line and learning a few new knots.

Thanks Eric.

 

[ihavegills]

Apologies

I was prepared but I have not spoken to a crowd in a while. The info probably did not flow as well as I would have liked and may have confused some. I think some of the people who got a 1 on 1 got a better understanding. I'll try and write something in the next week or 2 that will help all to understand better. I think the information is invaluable and it was great to see Leo eat it up as the facts confirmed what he and I have already been doing. As Mr. Trox would say, I gave you all the data on the first page in an "instant gratification" snapshot of breaking strength. The next page was the raw data pulled from both articles. When you combine them you see more so how much data is missing. Last, I gave you the original 2 articles from Doug. All I can say is I wish I could get an Instron 5543 and put all the lines with all the different knots to the test to have more concrete data and fills those holes. Even then you need to factor abasion, castability, etc.... I would then re-test after 1000 casts, 2000 cast. Extreme, yes but it would do away with all the unfounded answers you get about line and knot strength. I don't like hearing "it's the line and knot I always used" When you can actually DOUBLE or TRIPLE your existing line strength by changing brand or learning a few different knots. For those that did not attend, I'll leave you with the FACT I told everyone at the seminar.

This is one of the more extreme examples of thousands of scenerios

PowerPro 50# with a single line palomar breaks at 36.5#
Fireline 20# with a bimini and double palomar breaks at 43.7#

 

[MaxKatt1]

Line Diameter & Comments

Don't be hard on yourself. I thought info was good, and we had the report to read at home. Only think I would be curious about is line diameter as well. A 20 that breaks at 50 is great if it's as thin as other 20's. If it's as fat as a 40-50 I'm less excited. Won't cast as well or get as deep. ...and that would be the other element. Comments on castability, how manageble, supple. I know this is subjective, but you can compare brands relative to each other. I liked the info on Fireline, but someone told me later that it tended to fluff a bit after use. Not sure if it's true, but if so does this affect castability, etc. With that said, I think it was great info.

 

[snapperman]

ihave gills, you did great, I learned a lot and am still studying the packet with all the data.

Leagasea was great as well and learned a lot about fishing ans tides and current(thanks again for the bucktail). as for spring fishing, read this.

http://www.noreast.com/discussion/ViewTopic.cfmpage=1&startrow=21&topic_ID=100764

This post edited by snapperman 10:45 AM 01/21/2008

 

[snapperman]

this should be the right link

http://www.noreast.com/discussion/ViewTopic.cfm?page=1&startrow=21&topic_ID=100764

This post edited by snapperman 10:28 AM 01/22/2008

 

[tiderunner70]

likeitreallyis wrote:
PowerPro 50# with a single line palomar breaks at 36.5#
Fireline 20# with a bimini and double palomar breaks at 43.7#

interesting test and quote. i would be interested in seeing what the results were for 20# fireline with a palomar knot. also the results of 30# power pro. personally i never have problems with power pro. never a problem landing cow's either. actually had a few 40's on the same spool this past season. only the one who wants to lose his fish cranks his drag down.

 

[toyotaoffroad91]

tiderunner70 wrote:
likeitreallyis wrote:
PowerPro 50# with a single line palomar breaks at 36.5#
Fireline 20# with a bimini and double palomar breaks at 43.7#

interesting test and quote. i would be interested in seeing what the results were for 20# fireline with a palomar knot. also the results of 30# power pro. personally i never have problems with power pro. never a problem landing cow's either. actually had a few 40's on the same spool this past season. only the one who wants to lose his fish cranks his drag down.
from what i remember from the chart 20# fire line was just as stong as 50# powerpro tied with a double palomar

 

[legasea]

Eric,

I found your presenation and "facts" to be a reel (excuse the pun) eye opener. I only wish I could have spent more time after the talks to tie some knots with you. Crazy Alberto speaks highly of suffix braid and in a seminar I went to last year he also did some testing of his own.

Talk to Goerge and write a feature article on your coorelated data. The Noreast community that couldn't attend would enjoy it.

Thanks for the info it was great!

Ken

 

[ihavegills]

That's very interesting. One of our attendees quoted "Crazy Al always say's PowerPro 50 and reverse the spool". Glad Al doesn't tell people to jump off bridges! LOL.

I have been working on something that I plan on dumping as soon as I can figure out how to get the spread up clean. Hopefully I can pollish it up tomorrow.

 

[stpaul7]

Hey Eric they finally got your Videos up and running did you get a chance to check them out?
Eric's Knot Tying Video

 

[Crazy-Al]

ihavegills wrote:
That's very interesting. One of our attendees quoted "Crazy Al always say's PowerPro 50 and reverse the spool". Glad Al doesn't tell people to jump off bridges! LOL.

I have been working on something that I plan on dumping as soon as I can figure out how to get the spread up clean. Hopefully I can pollish it up tomorrow.


This was brought to my attention. This is indeed very interesting. With all due respect - There are many variables in the line testing process and the results can be puzzling at best. Personally I think it is best to get the information via first hand (hand?s on experience) ? not from second hand as this case proves to be.

Furthermore, there is a huge difference from a ?controlled? environment testing vs. the ?field? testing results. In my case, I?ve done both experiments and have a different outcome. Mind you, my testing is a non-bias effort and I have to say that I?ve been fortunate enough to test it since the inceptions of these ?high-tech? lines.

BTW: I stopped using PowerPro (4 years ago) for the obvious reasons and the reason why I don?t use Fireline (for my applications) is due to its diameter. I also feel that it is thicker and it appears to be a lot stronger than it is claimed to be. Whether it is marketing strategy? knows but that?s what I believe it to be.

I don?t want to make this as a debate thread. I felt compelled to reply since the information seems to have been erroneous.

Ultimately, validity is based on the individual?s creditability, experience and by their results.

 

[walleyeman]

Thanks for clarifying that Al. I want to look at some notes I took from a seminar you gave in the Fall at The Fisherman show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you were doing some line strength tests that you personally conducted and what you found lead you to switch to Sufix.

This post edited by walleyeman 05:33 PM 01/29/2008

 

[PaddleOn]

I'm still using PP at 50 lb test on my gear.

Al...last we spoke you were keen on the Suffix...