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I Just received a letter from the National Marine Fisheries In Gloucester Mass. The Letter states that any vessel holding a federal Ocean Skimmer, Ocean Quohog, Or Scallop Cat A or B permit, MUST install a V.M.S by May 1 2008. If not installed these permits will be revoked

Now, Do I spend the 4 grand or so on a V.M.S just to keep the permits, or Do I get them revoked? This is just another way the FEDS are putting people out of Business.
It is un real how they come up with these Laws so FAST to hurt you, But here we are writing letters to politicians,Assemblymen, Going to meetings to fight for our rite to fish and NOTHING EVER gets done.
 

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I heard that next year they will be having us all install a new system
AIFART- a n a l l y inserted fisherman auditing reconnaissance technology


It will be free to install, but will cost millions to maintain.
 

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I heard that next year they will be having us all install a new system
AIFART- a n a l l y inserted fisherman auditing reconnaissance technology


It will be free to install, but will cost millions to maintain.

ROF LMAO!!

Seems your getting close to the anal area right now.

Thought they were supposed to kiss you first.
 

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Joe, that is the whole name of the game at this time....get as many fishermen off the water as quick as possible! This government has big plans for the ocean off our coast, with the continuing 'fishermen-cleansing' through regulations such as this.

There is no way to avoid it, and the cost is not worth the payoff anymore. It is a shame that you are letting go of federal licenses without compensation, but look what they did to the guys who had 'C' groundfish days? Since those guys did not accept the payouts, they took there days and that was it...out of the fishery!

I don't know Joe, but the way it's going I would start prepairing to do something else....owning a fish store is a better prospect these days then catching fish. In my neighborhood, small fish stores are popping up, and it seems they do well enough to pay the rents and make a living.

Fishermen don't get paid enough for the labor they do, and the returns on fish to the fishermen have not kept in pace with inflation for the last 25 plus years.

Think of the value of your fishing business like a stock....sell before it drops so much in value that it is worth only pennies on the dollar...unless you have another source of income, few full time small boat/business fishermen will make enough to survive in the near future.

This is the reality of the 21st century as far as the fishermen in this area.

North Carolina keeps looking brighter all the time.......

EC NEWELL MAN<>

This post edited by EC NEWELL MAN 01:47 PM 03/24/2008
 

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lies lies lies......

EC NEWELL MAN wrote:

Think of the value of your fishing business like a stock....sell before it drops so much in value that it is worth only pennies on the dollar...
EC NEWELL MAN<>

Steve- I can't sell my permits here in Ma. According to Ma. DMF director Paul Diodati, the reasoning behind not letting hook fishermen sell their limited entry summer flounder permits, but allowing EVERY OTHER LIMITED ENTRY PERMIT ISSUED to be transferred/ sold, is because when you buy a potting or trawling permit, that you are buying the boat and the gear along with it. This is a lie. almost without exception, almost every single permit that has been transferred in MA. (state permit) has been just the paper itself, no vessel, no gear.
He says that the hook permits are just a permit and have no value.

I hate that SOB, I really do.

Listen to this-
http://www.jamglue.com/tracks/2557665-fluke1

He can't even get the lies straight, we've always had catch reports- always. The permits went limited entry in 99. Listen to him say "fuke"


Heres just one example of the lie....

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/boa/616045445.html
Coastal Access Permit For Massachusetts - $9000
Reply to: [email protected]
Date: 2008-03-23, 5:43PM EDT

Coastal access permit (cap)for towing trawls and dredges in mass. state waters $9,500.00 (nine thousand five dollars) or best reasonable offer bank check sovereign bank only.please send offers to craigs list addresss above...i put this up a week ago and am sorry to say i could not reply to the emails as i was having problems with computer and lost your replies and the ones i did get open came up blank.sorry about that.

*********************************************************************

See any boat or nets or anything besides a permit? Nope, and the lies march merrily on....

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cowkiller wrote:
I Just received a letter from the National Marine Fisheries In Gloucester Mass. The Letter states that any vessel holding a federal Ocean Skimmer, Ocean Quohog, Or Scallop Cat A or B permit, MUST install a V.M.S by May 1 2008. If not installed these permits will be revoked

Now, Do I spend the 4 grand or so on a V.M.S just to keep the permits, or Do I get them revoked? This is just another way the FEDS are putting people out of Business.
It is un real how they come up with these Laws so FAST to hurt you, But here we are writing letters to politicians,Assemblymen, Going to meetings to fight for our rite to fish and NOTHING EVER gets done.


You have a scallop permit that you're not fishing?
 

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VMS COST

16 to 1800 installed and you can fill out a form and get reimbursed from the Government Rebate!! Cat "A' is only 40 lbs a day and Cat "b" is 400lbs so if you have "A" its definately not worth spending the money.

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16 to 1800 installed and you can fill out a form and get reimbursed from the Government Rebate!! Cat "A' is only 40 lbs a day and Cat "b" is 400lbs so if you have "A" its definately not worth spending the money.

But isn't everyone allowed one trip into one of the closed areas with a 30,000 pound trip limit? That alone would more than cover the costs of the VMS.
 

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My boat is not rigged up for scalloping or clamming. I have the cat A permit.My point is that they are using any way possible to get guys out of the fishery.This is just a new approach they are using with the V.M.S
 

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I'll tell you what - when I hear of a scumb bag that brings something up against the fisherman I put their name on the list and if I can vote against them I do. G. R. I. P. - if you don't vote don't ***** - ban together and force them out..........
 

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I tink VMS really sucks, but it is a direct response, in these fisheries, to the extensive game-playing that many permit holders have done in the past. Once again, everyone pays for the carelessness of a few. I can't begin to count how many times I've watched the blue boats fish, and couldn'r for the life of me figure if they were on a state or federal trip, unless I saw them earlier in the week staying inside the line. Since Big Brother was oinstalled, I'm seeing a lot less trips from most of the boats.

Audrey Mae is correct w/ the final price- we just put one on the surf clam boat.

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Paul,All of the blue boats that fish for skimmers are in trouble.They are very limted to days they can fish now. they fish the skimmers for food .The bait area is way west off of breezy point.A couple of years ago they were allowed 28 cages a day, that didnt last long. Now the steam further to the east looking for the clams 14 cages a day.
I know they get so many federal trips a season what the number is im not sure. But I do know that they would put tags on the cages when they did there federal trips. Paul do you know how many fed trips they get a year?

I live near all the blue boats and they dont go nearly as much as they used to.Are they still all owned by BLOUNT SEAFOOD? Also paul is there a monthly fee for the V.M.S thanks,, joe
 

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Ours is a flat rate!

Which your allowed so many letters per month! You can text from boat to boat or to your home or base on your computer on board and depending on the plan you pick is how many letters you get to use. We have 15 thousand letters per month for around 40 bucks a month! But it works everywhere unlike a cell phone!
 

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I think the whole thing sucks. My boat is not rigged for scalloping, but that doesnt meen down the road for the winter season I might think of putting a Beam Trawl or dredge on the boat.A few modifications and it could be done, But at 40 lbs a day doesnt seem worth it. I just dont want to give them any of my permits. You know once you loose them you will NEVER get them back.
 

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Joe,

There is a monthly fee, and I think it starts around $35, but then there are other extras you can add on. Don't get me wrong for a minute- I don't like the idea of it costing more money to outfit the boat, especially when it doesn't help catch fish or improve safety, and I HATE the idea of periodic fees that accomplish the same thing. That's just another case of some dirtbag figuring out a way to make a living off hard-working men. But, guys screwing around and getting caught, or jealous guys blowing the whistle, have brought this crap down. Just a matter of time before anyone will know where anyone else is fishing by simply pushing a button. Then we're all out of business, and the fish will die anyways.

Barney Truex (Sea Watch International)still owns them blue boats. The boats aren't really in trouble- They're just the red-headed step-child fleet of the AC operation. The guys that work there are getting tight, but most crews have two or three boats so they can get a week's pay out of it. Each of them has a NY state permit. You're right, it is 14 cages a week, has been for two years. But I think they saw that the quota wasn't going to be met last year, and added an extra 7 cages a week in October or something, and carried it through into January sometime. Now there's a fishery that was screwed up by the managers. When I started doing it in '01, we went out of Jones, put the dredge over (and we have a small dredge that really doesn't catch all that well), and we had the load in under an hour, easily. Couldn't leave the dredge on the bottom more than six or seven minutes, or you might not be able to haul it back. Now the boats are going past Davis Park for the decent fishing- Anywhere's short of there and you're scraping to get the load, unless you're on the stern-rigs w/ 100" knives and 100 pounds of pressure. We'll be in the same position as NJ in a couple years- They don't have two bushel of clams in their state waters, every boat there fishes federally, usually fifty mile trips.

Federal quota is actually owned, by the bushel. The blue fleet, I am told, owns about 85% of that, but I could be wrong. It can be bought from those who hold it, I think it goes for around fifty or sixty bucks a bushel. That means you have to catch it for five years to pay for it. Anyways, if you own 4500 bushels, then you can make ten trips a year (assuming you have a 14 cage capacity, of course). Both the state and federal trips must have the tags on the cages before the boat lands. Back a few years, and even today, the clamming is better in the state waters around here, for the most part.

The bait area to the west is another story. There are clams like footballs there, piled two feet high. Screwy, but to fish in the bait area, you have to call in and relinquish the boat's food clam permit for the day, then call it back in when the trip is done to get it back. I don't think that any of those boats bait fish.

Paul
 
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