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As Team Romney talked up the prospect of a Romney surge leading up to Super Tuesday, I envisioned my worst nightmare: A Hillary Rodham Clinton/Mitt Romney contest.

A Clinton/Romney race, no doubt, was a Democratic operative's dream, starring the easiest Republican to beat. The Dems could have dusted off all of the 2004 campaign spots on John Kerry's flip-flops, and revamped them with Romney as the windsurfer, shifting positions on a number of issues - and I'd be stuck arguing that, flip-flopping aside, Romney would be better on Iraq.

Now, I can breathe a sigh of relief.
 

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She sounds like a real liberal, but what would you expect from the SF chronicle? Of course liberals love McCain, for them its a win-win. They won't vote for him, but if he gets elected, its no big deal.
 

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She sounds like a real liberal,

did you read the whole thing?
She comes off as anything but a liberal..............
 

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Yes, I read the whole thing and it sounds like something that the NY slimes would say. Combine taht with her other column that you posted and IMHO she os on the far left side of the republican party, if she even is a republican.
 

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As much as people who support McCain try and pain Republicans that don't as "the extreme right-wingers" of the party, let's try and put it in a little perspective.

- McCain voted AGAINST the tax cuts first time around and repeatedly labeled them as "Tax Cuts for the Rich".

- He was part of the "Gang of 14" that undermined the selection process of the President's judicial nominees and nullified the Republican majority at the time.

- He was apparently wooed by the Democrats and entertained the thought of switching parties.

- The McCain-Finegold bill on campaign finance laws is seen by many as a huge infringement on their free-speech rights.

- He is for amnesty for illegal immigrants.

- He has always been a "Maverick" within the party and has sponsored legislation with some of the most Liberal senators in Washington.

Now, whether or not suicide voters are foolish if they don't support him over Clinton or Obama is another story, but people certainly don't have to be crazy to take some serious issue with his previous record. Other than repeatedly informing us that he was there for the Reagan Revolution, I don't see him touting his resume all that much.

We'll see whether or not the voters he picks up from the middle will be able to off-set some of the ones he'd lose from the right in the general Election. Keep in mind it will either be against Hillary and her "baggage" (not her @ss, her history) or Obama who has the most liberal voting record in the Senate.

Should be an interesting race.
 

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For Mike

mm wrote:
She sounds like a real liberal, but what would you expect from the SF chronicle?

your comment made me go looking

Because after reading those two articles I posted - I'm thinnking "She doesn't sound anything like a liberal."

Seems I was right.

I think you may have taken umbrage at the fact that she was notexactly in line with your Conservative way of thinking.

Same might go for Scotty as well.

This post edited by wader 01:17 PM 02/12/2008
 

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No umbrage yet. Quotes from Debra J. Saunders:

On Universal healt care: "Clinton [Hillary]is right to argue that there are people in America who can afford health care but won't buy it."

On John McCain in early January: "Of course engaged Republicans have a right to criticize McCain on the issues - but they go too far,..."

On Guliani's collapse: "I have to wonder if Giuliani's biggest mistake was not touting himself as the only supporter of abortion rights in the Republican primary. I think he'd be faring better today if he had run as a security hawk and a fiscal hawk, but social moderate."

She's not exactly as bastion on conservative thought.
 

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as with most things - there are "degrees of conservatism".

She apparently does not subscribe to the extreme view. But I would be very hard pressed to make her out as a liberal.

pragmatic - yes




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"She might be the thinest woman at a weight watchers meeting, but that doesn't mean she might not still be fat."

I was not passing judgment on her in particular with my listing of McCain, but rather trying to point out that MANY people (perhaps you too Wader) try and pigeon hole anyone who talks about McCain not being a conservative (or even this woman for example) as "extreme" right wingers. Based on some of the legislation that McCain has supported and even written, you don't necessarily have to be an "extremist" to take issue with him. Being a Republican does not necessarily make you a conservative (as all too many of them have proven these past 7 years).
 

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scott wrote:
I was not passing judgment on her in particular with my listing of McCain, but rather trying to point out that MANY people (perhaps you too Wader) try and pigeon hole anyone who talks about McCain not being a conservative (or even this woman for example) as "extreme" right wingers.

In much the same way that many accuse McCain of pandering to liberals because he doesn't walk lock step with the Conservative end of the party.
He is a Moderate Republican with some Conservative leanings.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I call extremist those that dismiss any other ideas/ideals that do not fit either a Conservative or Liberal viewpoint to the letter. That are unwilling to take a ?pragmatic view? & admit that there might be some merit in the other sides view. This generally results in gridlock in Washington & nothing gets accomplished.

?Gotta check the rule book to determine if this what a true Conservative or Liberal would do.?

Right now there are only two things that I find disappointing in McCain?s domestic platform:
1. his abortion rights stand (I?m pro-choice)
2. his stand on gay marriage (I?m for ? but not gay myself ? happy sometimes but never gay)

This won?t prevent me from voting for him but I do wish he was in favor of at least one.

I actually favor a national referendum on gay marriage & gave Bush a lot of credit for suggesting it during an election year in which he was anything but considered a favorite.
There are reasons for this that I don?t have the time to get into right now.

Abortion Rights?
I?m counting on the Dem controlled congress & the majority of the American people who feel it is a woman?s right to choose to blunt any turn over of Roe v Wade.
That (besides the obvious) is one of the reasons I like to see Hillary returned to the Senate rather then fulfill her current quest.

I kinda wandered from the extremist thing didn?t I?

Later???????





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wader wrote:
scott wrote:
I was not passing judgment on her in particular with my listing of McCain, but rather trying to point out that MANY people (perhaps you too Wader) try and pigeon hole anyone who talks about McCain not being a conservative (or even this woman for example) as "extreme" right wingers.

In much the same way that many accuse McCain of pandering to liberals because he doesn't walk lock step with the Conservative end of the party.
He is a Moderate Republican with some Conservative leanings.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I call extremist those that dismiss any other ideas/ideals that do not fit either a Conservative or Liberal viewpoint to the letter. That are unwilling to take a ?pragmatic view? & admit that there might be some merit in the other sides view. This generally results in gridlock in Washington & nothing gets accomplished.

?Gotta check the rule book to determine if this what a true Conservative or Liberal would do.?

Right now there are only two things that I find disappointing in McCain?s domestic platform:
1. his abortion rights stand (I?m pro-choice)
2. his stand on gay marriage (I?m for ? but not gay myself ? happy sometimes but never gay)

This won?t prevent me from voting for him but I do wish he was in favor of at least one.

I actually favor a national referendum on gay marriage & gave Bush a lot of credit for suggesting it during an election year in which he was anything but considered a favorite.
There are reasons for this that I don?t have the time to get into right now.

Abortion Rights?
I?m counting on the Dem controlled congress & the majority of the American people who feel it is a woman?s right to choose to blunt any turn over of Roe v Wade.
That (besides the obvious) is one of the reasons I like to see Hillary returned to the Senate rather then fulfill her current quest.

I kinda wandered from the extremist thing didn?t I?

Later???????

You sound pretty libertarian to me which can be easily confused with a republican by the untrained eyes.
 
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