[Vector]

so everybody shares equally. It doesn't make sense to almost eliminate the fishing in NY and allow 8 fish @ 18 inches in NJ. Whats the point ? NY'ers will release 8 -18 inch fish and NJ anglers will keep them.
And why is NJ always under quota ? seems strange for an ocean state. And I wonder how many fluke the Point Pleasant commercial fleet takes.

 

[treypescatorie]

Rules

I agree with you. The way these rules are made make absolutely no sense to me.

 

[lighttackleman]

And I wonder how many fluke the Point Pleasant commercial fleet takes.

DUDE....... WHATS IS YOUR PROMBLEM. Why do you hate the commericals guys so much. Posts like this show how little you really know. If you only knew what it was like from our side. Im going stop typing before i get myslef in trouble.

 

[WetDreamz]

agreed 100 percent, the law officials just clearly dont care it seems.

This post edited by WetDreamz 09:57 PM 03/11/2008

 

[Gaucho]

So who's hands do you put the responsibility in??? The Federal Gov?

 

[AUDREYMAE]

We have to work together!!!

The most recent landings data from 2006 find New Jersey recreational anglers landed about 700,000 pounds of tautog, and commercial fishermen about 70,000 pounds. In 2006, Northeast fishermen landed about 4.3 million pounds of tautog, most of which was taken by recreational anglers. If you keep crapping on the comms then your just making all people in the fishing industry look bad!! WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER!!!! We can no longer blame it all on the comms when they've been cut 90% since 1991!! The only growth has been in the rec area since then!! I have to depend on great scientific data that we don't have!!! We should all have a right to go fishing!!Lets work together and not act like the Dems and REps in government!!

 

[dwk2252]

Try Getting 8 18" in NJ

I lived in NY for over 50 years I moved to NJ 2 years ago. I thought then 16 1/2 " fish 8 fish limit was easy. Yeah come down here and see how easy it is. I did not limit out once since I moved down here. I fish the boats every week last year sometimes twice to 3 times a week during the entire Fluke season. The Only time I limited out was when I came to NY and Fished on NY boats fishing NY limits. The size of the fish in NY waters were much Larger. I threw back limit catch of Fluke that would be keepers in Jersey with no problem. In Jersey we do not get the same size fish as NY. And I do fish even far south Jersey waters out of the range for NY boats. If you think the NJ boats are fishing NY waters think again. We are checked more than you think. I have a buddy of mine that lives in NJ keeps his boat in NJ but has to use NY limits because there
is no way he can get back to his marina without crossing NY waters. He keeps his boat at Liberty marina. He is getting checked constantly and he doesn't bother fishing Jersey waters anymore for Fluke because of this. There are some big fish here but not what you get in NY.

 

[lighttackleman]

Gaucho wrote:
So who's hands do you put the responsibility in??? The Federal Gov?

This is one HUGE MESS were ALL in !!!! But it seems like every chance you get you somehow blame commercial fisherman. It aint us bud look at how the numbers are broken up. If we dont stand up and fight together there will be no fishing for anyone. The commerical fleet has been dealing with sever restrictions for many years before it ever effected you. Theres strengths in number.... right now people jobs are on the lines not just some weekend warriors right to go catch a couple of fluke. My Gfs dad who was a commercial fisherman since he was 12 just gotta out of the industry becuase of the regulations put on him. Imagine being 60 and knowing nothing but fishing and being forced to find a differnt job. THESE REGS ARE AFFECTING BOTH SIDES not just you. Im tireding of playing the blame game. Before you spew your anti commerical crap do some research and actually see what these commerical guys are able to land a trip you would be quite suprised. The fishing industry is dieing slowly and if we dont do something this pastime we all love will be a thing of the past. Its not as clear cut as you think it is. I think you would be singing a much differnt tone if you ever SPENT ANY TIME in the industry wether working deck on a half day fluke boat or on a dragger. Ever since i was a lil kid my dream was to be a commercial fisherman and guess what this dream ive always had will proably never become true because of the REGs being put on all of us. But just think what its like not being able to put food on the table and provide for your family because of some horrible science.

 

[lighttackleman]

AUDREYMAE wrote:
The most recent landings data from 2006 find New Jersey recreational anglers landed about 700,000 pounds of tautog, and commercial fishermen about 70,000 pounds. In 2006, Northeast fishermen landed about 4.3 million pounds of tautog, most of which was taken by recreational anglers. If you keep crapping on the comms then your just making all people in the fishing industry look bad!! WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER!!!! We can no longer blame it all on the comms when they've been cut 90% since 1991!! The only growth has been in the rec area since then!! I have to depend on great scientific data that we don't have!!! We should all have a right to go fishing!!Lets work together and not act like the Dems and REps in government!!



Couldnt have said it better myself phil....

 

[dwk2252]

This is the only Problem I have & I did not write this

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pots on the reef?

There are pots all over the Raritan Bay TARGETING the females coming inside to spawn. ?THESE fish are FULL of roe all spring/summer. ?One fish kept kills 10,000 fry.

How about the guy who got busted trapping in the manasquan river and the canal.......a slap on the wrist fine.

Ludicrous at best. ?Pin hookers fill burlap bags full of blackfish every time they go out and sell them to the asian market.

the "recreational" blackfishery doesn't amount to a mole hill in the mountain of tautog caught/kept.

 

[lighttackleman]

Ludicrous at best. ?Pin hookers fill burlap bags full of blackfish every time they go out and sell them to the asian market.

Doug your defintion is off you mean poachers. The legal commercial limit as im sure you know is 25 fish a day. Its these weekend warriors who are going out and playing commercial fisherman for the day is whats screwing things up.

 

[dwk2252]

Think About the Number

700,000 vs 70,000 something sounds wrong to me about this number I like to know how they came up with that one. I used to be a Pinhooker in the late 60's & early 70's. We used to get $0.50 a pound and the Blackfish had to be fillet to get that price. I have no problem the commercial industry they do deserve to make a living. I know no Commercial fisherman who is rich a very tough living no doubt. I know it's the bad apples that make the good one's look bad. But I do feel that Blackfish & the methods used to catch Blackfish are not fair. Pot fishing should be banned Florida did it. Did anybody take notice how well the fishing rebounded after that happened? I have no problem with Rod & reel fisherman who fish commercially for them that way. I do feel that's the only way they should be fished. I know one thing that when the live market came into play the Blackfish stocks dropped drastically. I do feel that both recreational & commercial fisherman do need to get together on this. Pot fishing should be banned it hurts the Blackfish industry. When I see a commercial sector agree on this I would feel better.

 

[dwk2252]

I did not say that

I did say on my remark that this was not my quote. I do know what your allowed to ship. My problem is the same as his when it does come to pot fishing. I know a lot of fisherman who Commercial Rod & reel fish for Blackfish and respect the rules fully. I even noticed commercial Rod & reel fisherman who throw back females in the spring time. Tell me how many Pot fisherman who do this and you know the real reason why it isn't done. Commercial fisherman can still make a living that way. I think that's the only way it should be done. Is there anybody who can tell me that Pot fishing helps the industry? Where is the upside? How about when you have a runaway pot that fish's forever. I just would like to hear one good reason why this type of fishing should be allowed.

 

[lighttackleman]

I did say on my remark that this was not my quote. I do know what your allowed to ship. My problem is the same as his when it does come to pot fishing. I know a lot of fisherman who Commercial Rod & reel fish for Blackfish and respect the rules fully. I even noticed commercial Rod & reel fisherman who throw back females in the spring time. Tell me how many Pot fisherman who do this and you know the real reason why it isn't done. Commercial fisherman can still make a living that way. I think that's the only way it should be done. Is there anybody who can tell me that Pot fishing helps the industry? Where is the upside? How about when you have a runaway pot that fish's forever. I just would like to hear one good reason why this type of fishing should be allowed.[/quot

A 25 fish limit is a 25 fish limit... if i catch my LEGAL LIMIT wether im fishing with a pink snoopy push button reel or if im catching with 65lb braid or with a fish pot why does that mattter to you. ONCE AGAIN THIS ALL COMES DOWN TO LACK OF ENFORCMENT AND THE GOOD LAW ABBIDING COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN GETS SCREWED AGAIN!!! It all comes down to choices as long as your obeying the law it shouldnt matter. Think about last year the limit was 10 fish a day..... think about this 6 guys were able to go out and keep 60 fish opposed to the 25 fish a day now think about all the partyboats and charter boats all fishing think about how many thousands of fish they cacth day in and day out.... and btw ALOT OF GUYS have been making money for years by going out and catching a 50 or 60 fish limit and selling it on the blackmarket while were allowed 25 a day. I blame the collaspe of the blackfish on the GREEDY recrational fisherman !!!! before you point fingers you should look within the recrational community and see whats truly going on. The recs are the most greedy fisherman out there.. most could give 2 chits about what was going with fish stocks until IT CUT IN TO THEIR DAILY BAG LIMIT ohh it must be those scum bag commercial guys think again. The commercial fleet has been dealing with severe cutbacks year after year while the recrational community is now just starting to FEEL THE BURN soooo i hope everyone can now be miserable together. Have fun not being able to blackfish this year past dec 20. Ill be out there legally bailing fish

 

[dwk2252]

This is the Problem with Pot Fishing

There are pots all over the Raritan Bay TARGETING the females coming inside to spawn. ?THESE fish are FULL of roe all spring/summer. ?One fish kept kills 10,000 fry.

How about the guy who got busted trapping in the manasquan river and the canal.......a slap on the wrist fine.

your so against the greedy recs. you still did not answer the destruction it caused just one example above and a very good one no Good answer for that one huh? It does matter Pot gear on reefs that recs paid for what about that? Why can't you come up with a good answer about how the fishing improved greatly when all the pot fishing in Florida was banned you can't.The commercial industry only got interested in Blackfish market once the live market got created. I stated that before remember I did the same thing you did when there was no market for it. Your too young to understand what I'm talking about. Your so against the Recs. What about the commercial crabber who supply us with the greencrabs, White leggers, your putting them out of business. Your killing your own kind with your statement. The recs. support the commercial sector better than what you think. What about making Blackfish a sport fish no commercial market. What about demanding that the fish be bled before shipping then let's see how much they would be worth.

 

[BOBBYWALDBAUMBS]

I AGREE TOTALY!!! SHOULD BE ALL THE SAME ON THE EAST COAST !!!
I KNOW HOW THEY GET THE TOTAL COMMERCIALLY

HOW DO THEY COME UP WITH WHAT THE ANGLER CATCHES ???
JUST DON'T GET IT ??? >>)))Bobby)):>

 

[PhilT]

NJ has more liberal fluke regs, but NY had the benefit of great blackfishing regs. Did NJ whine about coastwide regs for tog over the last few years?

 

[steamboat1]

PhilT

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[clementine]

dwk2252 wrote:
What about demanding that the fish be bled before shipping then let's see how much they would be worth.
This wouldn't do anything to stop the poachers from selling live fish in the asian market. They're already doing it illegally, a law like that wouldn't stop them.

 

[Flukinicehole]

PhilT wrote:
NJ has more liberal fluke regs, but NY had the benefit of great blackfishing regs. Did NJ whine about coastwide regs for tog over the last few years?

As far as I`m concerned all fish should have the same regs in every state. NC has softer regs then NJ which has softer regs then NY

this should change.