[Vector]

They were planning to build an artificial reef by the Cholera but they scraped the plan because there were problems. But its still being considered.
Also they plan on sinking large vessels in deep water on the South Shore.
Why can't they put a reef near the Cholera ? Is it in the shipping channel ?
But its good there thinking about offshore reefs. I mentioned the good codfishing we're having and he agreed we need more offshore structure.
I suggested dumping a barge or armored vehicle every mile or so instead of putting everything all together. And I suggested dumping the NYC bedrock in deep water too.

 

[JC30967]

offshore reef

I recall an article in Newsday about a year ago, mabey less, concerning DEC's plans to build a reef approx.12 miles off, halfway between Moriches & Shinne****.

Vector, you spoke to a DEC representative about this?

 

[Vector]

I spoke to the DEC Marine bureau head

 

[CAPT RICHI]

Vector the plan to build a new reef in 90' of water SE of the cholers bank are about two years old..The problem is just as you stated the shipping lanes..The coast guard put a stop to it before it got off the ground..I know that they are looking at new areas between jones & fire island.

The second thing is that they are going to rebuild some of the reefs outside of jones ..The plan is or was as of two years ago ..Is two use the NYC bedrock just as you said..As far as new wrecks I was not told that was part of the plan..

Third is the NY DEC is going to take charge of all reef areas in NY & FEd waters to 10 miles..There will no longer be any pots of any kind allowed on them..They will be hook line & spearfish only..

Just to make myself clear this info in two years old things may have changed..

 

[Vector]

We should all write letters to the DEC to persuade them to build one near the Cholera.

I remember fishing for cod at the Cholera on the Capt. Al. My brother caught 10 big cod there on the Starstream in the 80's. Its an ideal place for an artificial reef because it'll be near the Cholera and the other grounds .

 

[Vector]

Are they banning lobster pots on the Cholera ?

CAPT RICHI wrote:
Vector the plan to build a new reef in 90' of water SE of the cholers bank are about two years old..The problem is just as you stated the shipping lanes..The coast guard put a stop to it before it got off the ground..I know that they are looking at new areas between jones & fire island.

The second thing is that they are going to rebuild some of the reefs outside of jones ..The plan is or was as of two years ago ..Is two use the NYC bedrock just as you said..As far as new wrecks I was not told that was part of the plan..

Third is the NY DEC is going to take charge of all reef areas in NY & FEd waters to 10 miles..There will no longer be any pots of any kind allowed on them..They will be hook line & spearfish only..

Just to make myself clear this info in two years old things may have changed..

I hate those pots. Its hard to drift there with all those pots. But no more Mahi Mahi there

 

[Vector]

90 feet of water is not deep enough ?

dumping barges/armored vehicles in 90 feet between the lanes shouldn't be a problem. A barge only stands about 10 feet off the bottom. NJ has reefs very close to the shipping lanes.
The big ships heading into NY harbor draw no more then 45 feet of water so they're wouldn't be a hazard to navigation.

 

[Scott1280]

Vector wrote:
dumping barges/armored vehicles in 90 feet between the lanes shouldn't be a problem. A barge only stands about 10 feet off the bottom. NJ has reefs very close to the shipping lanes.
The big ships heading into NY harbor draw no more then 45 feet of water so they're wouldn't be a hazard to navigation.
There would be if there were 25 boats anchored up on the new reef around the shipping lane. They're probably so shell-shocked from Ambrose they don't want a reef nearby the lanes.

This post edited by Scott1280 07:09 PM 03/11/2008

 

[CAPT RICHI]

Vector wrote:
CAPT RICHI wrote:
Vector the plan to build a new reef in 90' of water SE of the cholers bank are about two years old..The problem is just as you stated the shipping lanes..The coast guard put a stop to it before it got off the ground..I know that they are looking at new areas between jones & fire island.

The second thing is that they are going to rebuild some of the reefs outside of jones ..The plan is or was as of two years ago ..Is two use the NYC bedrock just as you said..As far as new wrecks I was not told that was part of the plan..

Third is the NY DEC is going to take charge of all reef areas in NY & FEd waters to 10 miles..There will no longer be any pots of any kind allowed on them..They will be hook line & spearfish only..

Just to make myself clear this info in two years old things may have changed..

I hate those pots. Its hard to drift there with all those pots. But no more Mahi Mahi there


I know the guy who fishes those pots..Its would be a great loss to him to lost that area..


This post edited by CAPT RICHI 09:01 PM 03/11/2008

 

[Vector]

They can build them in the seperation zone.

Scott1280 wrote:
Vector wrote:
dumping barges/armored vehicles in 90 feet between the lanes shouldn't be a problem. A barge only stands about 10 feet off the bottom. NJ has reefs very close to the shipping lanes.
The big ships heading into NY harbor draw no more then 45 feet of water so they're wouldn't be a hazard to navigation.
There would be if there were 25 boats anchored up on the new reef around the shipping lane. They're probably so shell-shocked from Ambrose they don't want a reef nearby the lanes.

 

[LobsterD]

Wonder wher you got this info from, NY never considers anything outside the 3 mile limit.

 

[649247]

Cholera Banks

Hi Guys
You might be interested to know that there is a project to build an island over the cholera banks for the purpose of a natural gas depot.
Follow the link and lets get a fishing discussion started. I attended a town hall meeting this past december and learned about the plans for this proposed project

http://www.cleanoceanaction.org/index.php?id=643

I hope that this gets some serious discussion going - try to keep the anger down as this project is being proposed in the public interest just like the Broadwater Project in the center of the Long Island sound. The proponents of these projects say that our energy needs are growing at a rate that will outpace the current delivery systems within a few year

Comments Anyone???

 

[649247]

Cholera Banks

Check out this website

http://www.atlanticseaislandgroup.com/home.shtml

this is a wake up call for all fishermen on the NY/NJ coasts to pay attention

 

[LobsterD]

Thought that idea was shot down, too close to shipping

 

[GradySailfish]

There is plenty of natural structure in that area...Cholera, Middle Grounds etc, are chocked full of natural low lying rocky bottom. No need to artificial reefs out there.

The deep wrecks is a good idea as is rebuilding the existing reefs. But, the bottom line is that we need to increase fish biomass, not necessarily just build new structure, which will only serve to concentrate the fish stocks.

What we can really use is more natural live bottom. I only wish we could for example restore the mussel beds once plentifull off LI.

Also need to thin the dogfish population, drops in Cholera were infested with those things last spring.

 

[mk5381]

DEC and artificial reefs

A number of us spoke to the DEC guys at the Freeport show. One particular DEC officer (I forget his name) is in charge of the artificial reef program for NY. He told us that the reefs to the east were going to get some attention in the way of new structure. Yes, there was talk of a new reef in somewhat deeper water south of the AB and Rockaway reefs but that has not gotten any traction. He also mentioned that the DEC is now talking to NY about obtaining the old subway cars for our reefs and not letting them go out of state anymore (which we applauded).

Lastly, for those to the west like us, we were told the Rockaway reef and AB reef were not in need of any new structure. He showed us some type of bottom topology view of the Rockaway reef area and it showed loads of rubble, only a lot of it was low-lying. No more than a foot or two off the bottom.

hth,
Mark

 

[LobsterD]

I hate those pots. Its hard to drift there with all those pots. But no more Mahi Mahi there wrote:

Sorry if my gear gets in the way of your drift, Vector.
BTW, those flags attract Mahi, without the flags, there would be no Mahi on cholera at all.

 

[Vector]

NY's reefs are outside 3 miles

Wonder wher you got this info from, NY never considers anything outside the 3 mile limit.[/quote

The hempstead reef is outside NY's 3 mile limit. Just past the limit. You can't keep stripers you catch on that reef. The FI reef is inside the 3 mile limit. The Atlantic beach reef is outside 3 miles too. No stripers in federal waters.

 

[outrageous21]

LobsterD wrote:
BTW, those flags attract Mahi, without the flags, there would be no Mahi on cholera at all.

Can you make sure your flags attract them this year because I didnt find any last year.

 

[fishon2407]

tprezioso wrote:
Hi Guys
You might be interested to know that there is a project to build an island over the cholera banks for the purpose of a natural gas depot.
Follow the link and lets get a fishing discussion started. I attended a town hall meeting this past december and learned about the plans for this proposed project

http://www.cleanoceanaction.org/index.php?id=643

I hope that this gets some serious discussion going - try to keep the anger down as this project is being proposed in the public interest just like the Broadwater Project in the center of the Long Island sound. The proponents of these projects say that our energy needs are growing at a rate that will outpace the current delivery systems within a few year

Comments Anyone???
The problem with the proposed LNG station is the huge buffer zone they plan on resricting boats from entering around the structure.Not to mention that the base of the station is going to be huge wiping out alot of the Cholera grounds.I for one would not like it if this proposal gets the nod from anyone.You want extra power,WIND FARMS,they look cool and won't destroy as much of the bottom as a LNG island would because they sit on small platforms.And they can be spaced far enoough apart that you can fish the area.