[Capt.XXX]

The New York State DEC wants the recreational angler to keep two (2) striped bass a day. If you don't vote for this, the extra striped bass WILL be given over to the comercial sector and they WILL KILL all of these extra striped bass. Please vote for the two (2) bass a day, if you release the fish you are SAVING striped bass from being KILLED!

 

[MakoMatt]

OK Capt.XXX

MakoMatt

 

[MakoMike]

captXXX,
According tho the thread in Crazy Al
s section, none of the fish will go to the commercial sector regardless of what the DEC decides to do about the increase in the recreational sector's limit.

 

[noreast]

ONLY THE FACTS PLEASE!

In all due respect, while I appreciate the good Captains input there appears to be a few inaccuracies in his statement

1) The NYSDEC has NEVER said it wants us to take the 2 fish and I think it?s important that prospective people know that before voting.

2.) The extra striped bass will not be given to the commercials if we don?t take them. In fact we have been allowed these two fish for over 5-years now and they have never given them those fish.

Please folk?s lets keep this honest as that?s the only way it will have any value to our fisheries managers. If not they?ll have no choice but to ignore the data.

 

[619627]

Captain XXX, i just happened to get a call last night from the greatest rod and reel striped bass fishermen around. We talked about all the years he fought against the DEC, and how now, keeping more then ONE STRIPED BASS is a violation of the law. Hard to figure from 20 years ago when all this legislation truly started.

Many of you think you are doing the right thing by voting to keep the one fish a man, status quo. Well let me make you aware, that other things are coming down the pike as far as fishery legislation. Take a look at this:

1)Full season closures-
2)Area closures-
3)NO fishing on any artifical reefs-
4)Smaller bag limits and greater size limits-

Now if you just think this is one 'old time pinhooker' with stories from the past 'take everything days', i am going to try and post a pic on the closed fishing zones off California. Right now many in the fishing business in California are tied to the dock for the next few months. Over on the east coast, we have closures right in our area. Most notable, is one on the east side of THE GREAT SOUTH CHANNEL and one around the NANTUCKET LIGHTSHIP area (except for party boats with the exemption). From what i heard last week, their is a strong possibility that a full GEORGES, GREAT SOUTH CHANNEL and NANTUCKET SHOALS closure could happen (aka no codfishing in these area).
Its not ontill something effects us that we will take action about it.

So be aware on what your vote, on this 'issue' is about. I am thinking about my future, and so should all of you guys out there.

EC NEWELL MAN*

(This post edited by EC NEWELL MAN on 02/24/2003)

 

[619627]

I will try to get this a little bigger to understand how large a area we are talking about off the Channel Islands.

EC NEWELL MAN*

 

[togmaster]

A true understanding?

Well guys I do see some differences here as far as a vote. But did you know the amount of bass harvested will be reached whether the vote is vetoed or not! Yes the state gets a quota or percentage of the harvest if you look at amendment to the quota what ever percentage NY is entitled to will be harvested and if the Rec?s don?t take it where will it go? It is not cut back if we decline the purposed reg?s some one will fill the quota till it is reached. So you tell me where it goes if we do not take it? I think you get the picture?

 

[Capt.XXX]

George and MakoMike...

For the striped bass' sake I hope you are right, BUT we know history repeats itself and once the commercial sector gets the extra allocation...

THE BASS ARE AS GOOD AS DEAD!

EC NEWELL is right!

Here we have a chance of saving fish and we are refusing to save them.

My Dad always said this... If someone offers you something you should accept it, because they might not offer it again!!!

 

[186logic]

What about if it's a lit stick of dynamite?

 

[noreast]

The Freedom to Fish act which was started by the Coastal Conservation Association has been gaining momentum in this area, but area closures are a reality that we will face and it's a serious threat to recreational fishing.

 

[noreast]

First of all I want to be sure that our readers know I?m simply trying to provide the facts to get an honest vote. I?m not trying to sway anyone to vote one way or the other; I?m simply trying to give people the facts to base their decision on. I should also explain that this vote is a very small piece of the overall decision making process, but if it?s done correctly it will provide good data.

Togmaster,
We have been allowed two fish for 5 years and that extra fish is still available today, so as you can see those fish have not been given away. Unlike the bluefish plan which operates under a quota system and gives all unused fish to the other user group, the striped bass plan splits the bass in two categories producer areas and coastal stock and then tells each state what bag limit they can fish as long as it?s equivalent to their numbers.

But while they cannot directly take the fish we?re not taking, it has resulted in a higher commercial percentage this year.

Again there?s much more to this argument but I think that people should be basing their decision on what is best for them as our fisheries managers say the fishery can handle it.

CaptXXX,

I agree 100% that should those fish somehow end up in commercial hands we will never see them again. And that is a true concern of mine.

 

[617110]

Ohh boy...

Now you guys are really statring to confuse me.

This is an unofficial vote right? Or will it actually be viewed by the decision makers?

(This post edited by somoan on 02/24/2003)

 

[616787]

I hope someone consolidates these threads.

I know you meant well, CAPT.XXX, but it is tedious and unproductive to put the same thread in every forum. Not many people are going to want to look for every thread, especially if you get alot of votes and comments.

It would have been better for all concerned to ask everyone to take a vote in the General Forum thread, and provide a post in the other forums along with a link to it that says "please vote here".

 

[togmaster]

Just be herd!

Guys George has given all a chance here to vote on something which is not about the out come of the decision but more the fact that we have a voice and an opinion. If we don?t show we care then the law makers take things upon themselves to decide. But if the public works together to cast a vote then they know we are out there and care. Yes George you are 100% we had the right to 2 fish since 1995 I believe. The CCA declined the extra fish to give back to the growth of the fishery. I understand that and now they are asking us if we would like the 2 fish reinstated. But I disagree with the out come of the extra quota not going to some one else! It may not say it on paper but we all know what happens. I truly would like a slot fish quota consisting of 2 fish. The trophy fish numbers are very scarce. Did you know last year the Md commercial fleet used there tags on all the bigger bass and took there harvest of juvenile fish under quota. This was brought out and they were supposed to be cut back because of this? Did this happen yet? I am curious on this one. Another key point here is that many of the states NY NJ Mass share the same bodies of fish. So even though we may stay the same other states will harvest the fish if aloud. The overall quota in Mass is totally out of control compared to NY. Yet we do share some of the same school?s of fish. But the argument is not on who what why and where. Mine is the fact we need to be herd whether it is in favor or not. The is the key to the future of management! George I know you agree with me on this that the public needsd to speak out to make any future changes herd. If not decisions can fall into the habds of the wrong people on there own

 

[baywatch]

VOTE

It is not hard to do YES or NO.

This is a poll for the N/E site only which is good.

It does not got to the DEC so spend the 37 cents and SEND IT IN!!!!!!!!

 

[613687]

I'll take the 2 bass limit.
One 28" & over 41"
I will say this,... last time I caught anything over 41" was 3 years ago.

Here's something to think about lets say your fishing and catch a 28" keeper
then you just decide to keep fishing becuase thats what we enjoy.
Catch and release...right???
Then you just happen to get a big COW!!!
What do you do now?
Throw the dead 28" back in the water and keep this big COW or what?
You cant keep 2 bass as it stands now!

My vote goes to 2 bass a Day!

 

[bassman909]

IBEW,
It's easy, take a picture of the COW, weigh it, measure it and throw it back. You can still brag about the cow later. The little one tastes better anyway.
As long as the Commercials don't get a higher quota next year because we didn't meet our qouta this year, than I'm for one fish a day.

 

[Meirowitz]

From what I've read thus far, I don't believe anyone - and I mean anyone - has an accurate handle on what the two bass rule for recreational fishermen really translates into from the standpoint of numbers of fish, percentages, etc. The issue, for most of us, transcends a philosophical debate, which is what all the commotion on this Board seems to be about.

I, for one, am in favor of the two bass rule for recs from a purely selfish perspective. In my case, I give most of my catch to a few elderly, incapacitated people and to some friends and neighbors who really appreciate great tasting fresh fish. There are countless other legitimate reasons why others should personally support the two bass rule for recreational fishermen.

Let those who make the rules try to tackle the nearly insurmountable task of numbers and percentages. As for the rest of us, who make up 99.9 percent of those on this Board, I think we should deal with this issue on a personal basis. Simple question: at the end of the day, would you rather have the option of having two bass in your cooler or one? Personally, I'd rather have two.

Just my two cents.

(This post edited by Meirowitz on 02/24/2003)

 

[sam843]

I vote yes for GP
But would like to see 1 free fish 28" and if you want to keep
more than one let the state sell bonus bass tags at $25
each and use the money for tougher inforcement efforts against poachers and research for the betterment
of Bass fishery
If you have to keep more than one fish $25 per fish is fair for you to pay, it's about the $2 a pound commercial price

 

[togmaster]

Giving back

I have no problem giving back to help out. Many of us feel they don't want to but if it helps keep our fisheries under better conditions then i'm all for the fee's. $25.00 with over 1 million anglers can make a big diffrence if the money is used corretly. thats where my only doubt comes in. to many people with hands out and that much money could turn around and be used for other things then fishing which can happen ?