[leakyrivot]

I've got a pile of 50-80 lb dacron & 50-80 lb spiderline saltwater fusion on the way. 4 reels are getting new dacron, a top shot of spiderline and then a mono leader spliced together.

Does anyone have an opinion on what the best knots to splice these types of lines are? Thanks for any/all replies,

Jon

 

[MakoMike]

Jon,
it depends on whether the fusion is hollow or not. I don't know, since I've never even seen it. If your guides are big enough to pass a bimini through you can back splie the dacron to form a loop and then loop in the fusion with a loop tied with a bimini. The mono lezder will also have to be done with bimini loops. Look at basil's site for some good drawings and instruction on how to make wind on leaders. Or better yet, just have him make them up for you.

 

[leakyrivot]

"Fusion" is basicly a smooth braid (coated somehow).. It's like a spiderwire, no stretch, but it's not quite as thin & isn't as limp. The 80 lb test is 25 lb mono width.

A bimini twist (**** those are some complicated knots) would work, but the line width's are so varied, I think the dacron would get cut.. this is assuming I actually managed to tie mone .. Oh, where is basils site anyway?.. I looked through the knots listed & that can't be it.

In the past I've used two modified clinch knots; it has worked, but I'm not sure if it's the best way to do it. I may go w/ uni-knots if nothing else jumps out at me; from what I've read those are supposed to be good for these odd width splices. It doesn't appear spiderline is too popular under this topic though.. might post it up in general fishing.

Jon

 

[thefishingfreak]

albright knot

use an albright knot. the same knot for tying wire to dacron and wire to mono.
this knot works good for odd thickness lines.
the modified cinch knot your talking about ,or the blood knot, only works good when the lines are the same diameter. here's a link---->>>

http://www.killroys.com/knots/albright.htm

 

[ifish42na]

Splice an end loop or tie a bimini in your dacron, tie a bimini in your solid spectra, and connect the two with a loop to loop connection. Another good way to create an end loop in the spectra is to tie a 7 turn surgeon's knot, carefully cinch down the wraps, and seal with a drop of superglue. There are a number of knots you can use to connect your mono to the spectra, none of which I would recommend on big fish. The better way to connect your mono is to splice a loop of hollow spectra onto the end of the mono and connect with another loop to loop. You can even use some of your 80lb dacron to do it. If you want to see some drawings or other general information on this, my site is http://www.bhptackle.com/

Basil Pappas

 

[leakyrivot]

Ok.. It's funny, I posted this up on another site too & I've have gotten the following:

Loop to Loop: 3

Albright: 2

Uni-Knot: 1

Bloob-Knot: 1

By the end of the day, every knot known to man will probably be recomended.

... Thanks for the responses guys! Keep them coming if you've got more for me.. At this point I think I'll have to learn how to tie a bimini twist. Although, does anyone have an opinion on how the surgeons works w/ dacron? That could be a more practical solution.

These are just cod rods, but I like to keep everything tip top. Most likely the dacron will never see the light of day, but if it does, it'll be on of those freak occurances & I'll need it.

Jon

 

[MakoMike]

Jon,
By far the easiest way to put a loop in dacron is to backsplice it, no need for knots. Its the other stuff that you want to pile on the reel that needs knots. If you don't know how to do it go to your local tackle shop and look inside a box of new Guidebrod dacron, there's an instruction book in there with very good diagrams.

 

[leakyrivot]

Ok, I'll check it out.. it just sounded more complicated; splicing rope is one thing, dacron seems awfull intricate. Thanks again,

Jon

 

[MakoMike]

Jon,
Its much easier than splicing three strand rope.

 

[614050]

try this out...

1) spool up the dacron as your backing.
2) use a single edge razor to cut a chisel point in one end of the spiderline fusion.
3) insert into dacron about 2' and tie an overhand knot half an inch from the end of the dacron.
4) use mono as a leader.

no problem sliding out of the guides and a pretty simple setup. just a question, why are you using fusion instead of braided spectra?

 

[leakyrivot]

Mike - that's good to hear. I'm hoping some instructions will come in the box - it's cabelas green spot dacron.. if not, will have to just look it up. With a little luck I'll see it today or tomorrow.

Crag -

No experience w/ the spectra - I've used the classic spiderline & love it for bottom fishing, I think they are pretty equivlant. The fusion is supposed to be a bit safer on guides, but mostly it comes down to price.

Saltwater Fusion costs $16-$18 for 300 yds of 50-80 lb at cabelas. I've yet to see braided that wasn't nearly twice that in cost. I've just got too many reels & too small of a budget. On a aside, it's odd that w/ all of the lines you don't really get a deal buying bulk; I looked into that too, the option of just buying a 1200 yard spool.

The fusion is fairly equivlant in diameter to braids - 80 lb braid is 16 lb mono diameter, 80 lb fusion is 25. As far as stretch - it holds it's own; the downside is in limpness. Fusion acts more like wire, you can bend it and it stays, unless re-formed, braid is totally limp and just goes w/ gravity.

So.. for a casting rod, I'd go braid. These are cod rods & the important thing seems to be a good 400+ ft of fairly thin line w/ low strech. Not quite as good as braid, but it's gotta outfish dacron.

Jon

 

[614050]

jon, check out this link,

http://www.insidesportfishing.com/Market/Articles/2416.asp?CLID=1&PIID=8094

they sell pp for $22 for 300 yds./50#, free shipping with orders over $50, too.

 

[leakyrivot]

Wow, that is the cheapest I've ever seen;
It's still a bit more expensive, especially for #80, but would be worth it. Oh well, too late, I've allready got mine on the way. Thanks though,

Jon