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Want to do some seabass fishing at Montauk. Would like to know what size and style hooks to use? Also should the hooks be on leader if so how long? Some guys put hooks on a dropper loop which do you prefer? Also heard that live killies work, or what type bait do you use ? Thanks Lou
 

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The traditional way to do it at Montauk is find your piece and drift it a couple of times using clam baits. (the fish you see on your machine may not be sea bass) Once you're happy that the bumpheads are there anchor up n the piece and put down a chum pot with clam chum. Be sure to wrap the pot with duct tape leaving only a little opening so that the frozen chum doesn't go out too fast. Start off with clam baits and when the fish really get going switch off to squid baits. Any hook will do, I prefer the beak stly hooks with baitholders.
 

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SEABASS SETUP>>>>

Sportsman625....would you believe that the preferred seabass hook in Virginia to catch sea bass was a 5/0-7/0 PACIFIC BASS long shank hook...the reason why, was because it enabled one to remove the fish quickly from the line. But nowadays we have a big selection of hooks to choose from.

First the wide gap hooks. They work incredibly well for seabass. From size 3/0-6/0 with 4/0 and 5/0 the best all around sizes. These hooks fit just perfectly in their mouths, and we notice much less lose of big fish when reeling them up from the deep. Problem with these hooks is that they will slow you down when you have to remove them from a fishes mouth since they will set very deep.

Another good hook, is the Gamakatsu 4/0-6/0 octupus style hook. It has the sharpest points around, and decent sized shank to grab onto when removing a fish from the hook. Problem with these hooks, is that when their is small fish around, or perch, they get impailed or caught very easily due to those ultra sharp points. When i seabass fish, i wait for the tugs, not the taps, and i wait till i fill my rigged tree up, instead of pulling in one at a time. These hooks just grab fish that swim by due to the extra sharp points.

Another all around hook that is commonly used is the Mustad Beak #92671 and #92625 without slices and the #92641 bronzed hook with slices. Sizes from 4/0-6/0. Again nice long shank to grab onto, but we have noticed, that these beak style hooks will lose more large seabass when reeling up, then the other two hooks mentioned above. I am not a fan of these hooks for seabass fishing even though many fishermen use them.

Sproat #3399 was the old time standard, due to price,and because it worked, but i would choose the above listed hooks for seabassing now.

If their are large porgies around, which we are seeing more and more later in the season, drop down to size 1/0-2/0 if you want more scup, yet want to also catch the larger seabass.

I am not a fan of leader hooks for seabass. The commercial fishermen in Virginia make dropper loops on 50-80lb mono, and catch all the seabass they want.

This is what i do for seabass fishing when fishing Montauk from August through November...i use 40lb coiled leader material and make 3 separate dropper loops for the hooks and one dropper loop for the sinker. I put the eye through the dropper loop, then i make a number of twists where i double and triple loop around the shank of the hook, so that the hook has a few wraps holding it. I have seen fellows on party boats first make twists in their lines before making a dropper loop so that the hook stands out but for seabass fishing it does not make any difference. If you want the hook to stand out straight, get tinker tubing and slide it between the hook and the wraps. It also makes removal of the seabass easier, giving you something more to grab. I have a number of premade rigs tied with the tubing and without. The tubing also protects the wraps around the eye of the hook from chaffing, since after catching a number of seabass, the line will be frayed at this area. This we feel is the best commercial style rig you can make.

When we fish waters over 120 feet we start to use 50-60lb coiled leader material, and use from 3-6 hooks depending on how good the fishing is. If you are drift sea bass fishing, go to a heavier then usual sinker...you want to get down to the bottom as fast as you can, with the least amount of line out. People do the opposite and let enough line out to reach Georges Banks and wonder why they do not catch any fish or pick up a fish here and there. This is one thing people never seem to get into their heads when drift fishing. Use 50lb power pro and you are all set.

Yes, people use killies for seabass, but why go through that expense? They work well when fishing in the early part of the season...problem is that latter in the season, their are porgies around and they rip them apart. And if you are wreck seabass fishing, the perch will peal them off the hooks all the time. Fresh skimmers,lightly salted is the KEY. Cut the skimmer so that you have a piece of soft belly along with the meat. Put a long narrow nice sized piece on your hook. One trick for big seabass, is to use crabs that are cut into pieces...it discourages the trash, and the big seabass love it. Whenever you see seabass spitting up small crabs, put it on the hook and send it back down, and hold on. For big seabass this is their preferred meal over all other things!

Lou of all the bottom fish, seabass are the simplest to catch once you find them. Do not go extra exotic as far as hooks or rigs. Simple setups work perfectly for these fish.

EC NEWELL MAN>>>>
 

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Crabs and SEABASS>>>>

Hey Guys when EC + I were out the other day all the seabass had crabs in them . They were loaded to the max. I have never seen so many small rock crabs in a fish then i saw last week! So If you catch some Seabass cut open there bellies and see what there eating? This will give you an idea of the best bait i nthe area to use ! Just a litlle tip for you all:)
 

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i don't like keeping buying and keeping track of too many types of hooks. since i like # 4 virginia's for blackfishing, that's what i use for sea bass. they work great whether fished on a leader or dropper. these hooks are very durable as well.
 

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Fluke...with seabass fishing you do not have to be as precise as when you make rigs for other types of fishing. The lower drop loop should just be above from the sinker, where the hook is off the bottom...many times you will go to areas where you have a mixture of red hake along with the seabass. No reason to pass up these tasty fish, so i make my bottom dropper slightly longer. But if you go to a spot where you have loads of perch life, take the bottom hook off and just fish the hooks that are higher off the bottom. And one trick in areas such as reefs with loads of hang, is to hit the bottom, and crank up a foot or two. The bigger seabass and scup swim off the bottom, and this put the hooks in this feeding zone.

Jackson, killies are a exceptional bait, but i have never seen any commercial guy i know, use killies. Lightly salted skimmers is what we use, and down in Virginia, the commercial pinhookers use mackeral chunks on their hooks, and that is what caught the world record! Squid is a all around good bait for seabass which also should be brought along, and perch strips are great in many areas. And never forget crabs, cut into quarters, for those big knotheads.

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Hi E.C.

Thanks for the reply on the spacing of the dropper loops. Another question.
A friend suggested using a jig, of equivalent weight, in place of a sinker. Do you see that as a viable idea or just another way to get hung up.
 

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Fluke reply to jig>>>

Hey Fluke that is the thing to do! This time of year a jig with a green tube works exceptional for big seabass. I would recommend this with out a doubt!Your friend gave you good advice. Use it in place of the sinker. There are times when we actually get on top of the seabss and just use diamond jigs to bail them. the bigger fish seem to like the jig! they like the moving bait. You must pond the bottom with the jig Striaght up and down when they hit they will hit hard so hold on Hope this helps try it you'll like it:)
 

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Fluke, i know of two pinhookers who use jigs for seabass. And one of them uses a SKIPS TORNADO rigged with a flo-green tube. You will be surprised at the big seabass that will inhale this setup.

I remember that when we bluefished in the fall off of Sea Bright, Long Branch Farms, and 17, you would find the bluefish setup over rocky bottom many times. We would drop our jig to the bottom, and depending on how sticky, start jigging like we do for bass. If you are specifically fishing for seabass with jigs, tie a chartreuse bass teaser above the jig, about a foot up. Great setup especially off those areas i mentioned,(Farms especially was a producer of sea bass in the fall).

Jackson, those mackeral are usually salted before they are frozen. I would not of believed it but the mackeral work incredibly well....the only thing is that you will not see as many blackfish as you would if you were fishing with skimmers.

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Tried sea bass best meat ever......

First time tried sea bass , I love it,
could anyone give a tip for sea bass in
Cney Island, Manhatan Beach, Sheepshead Bay area, never fish for it, I ment never cought one :(.

Thanks,

GG to All :)
 

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Went out Sun just to cruise with the wifey,but brought a rod and diamond jig along as per your seabass advice.Dropped it down in 60 ft. off Cranes Neck and jigged up all the huge porgys and small seabass you could want-.Definite good idea to use instead of a sinker for the Big seabass
 

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North Shore Seabass

Yet another great thread guys, thanks!

I noticed that most of the discussion has focused on ocean type fishing for seabass. How would your techniques change for the North Shore?

I'm in the Oyster Bay area and am trying to figure out the seabass fishery here. Over the last couple of weeks I've had some success with smaller fish in shallow water (25ft or less) but would like to find some bigger ones. Does the western sound hold a concentration of larger fish (say up to about 4lbs)? Is it a deep water fishery? Should I be working wrecks? Any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

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NORTHSHORE SEABASS-

Calvin, i have done enough bottom fishing in the sound to tell you that in my opinion it is not what i would call a rich area for sea bass fishing. Yes you will pick up some nice fish here and there, towards the western part, but off the top of my head i could not direct you to any one specific area. On a chart, look for rocky areas and continuously make drifts. When you pick up a nice fish or two from a particular spot, mark it down and remake the drift. Sea bass cluster up, and you should be able to get a number of fish off a little area.

Now as you get on the eastern part, from Southwest reef and east, you will see more seabass. Their are a few deeper wtecks in the eastern portion of the sound from 80-120 feet that hold some nice seabass, but again, its not what i would call drop and lock fishing like we see off of Montauk and Block Island. Seabass are ocean going fishing, and even though they do enter the bays, and the sound in the northeast, they are really not concentrated in one particular area. Again Southwest reef would be one of the best areas to try, and right now, is the right time. Same methods, and baits apply. Lightly salted skimmers, catches everything, and thats what you should be using for bait.

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EC NEWELL MAN

Thanks for the input.

BTW, you and Togmaster are doing a great job with this board. I can't believe the wealth of information that you guys, and everyone else for that matter, disclose in some of these threads! Keep it up!

Calvin
 
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