[springman26]

I really want to get out this week and do some sharking off Montauk but need to know how bad the hurricane is churning things up. I have a 22ft Grady and want to hit the Butterfish hole off Montauk. The forecast only looks ok for Friday maybe. Any thoughts??

 

[canyonero]

I'd go in good weather and good forecast.

I'm goin to the tails in a 24 HS.

 

[TonySMJC]

Heres a thought

If your unsure of what conditions your boat can handle or unsure of what conditions to expect and need ask on a web site what others think , Do both yourself and your passengers a favor and dont go. Your not ready to venture offshore.

Just my Humble opinion

Anyone venturing offshore should be well versed in both his boats capabilities and able to judge current and future weather conditions based on existing published data..

Now heres what you wanted

With any kind of weather anywhere near the area I would be damed if I would travel anywhere near offshore on a 22 ft anything.

Good luck

 

[Dknucks]

22 ft. boat

Springman, take it from someone who has ventured off shore in a 23 ft hydrasport. It's not a lot of fun, it was in the begining. I even installed an extra fuel tank to go even further. I have taken my boat over 65 miles offshore to fish the barcardi for bluefin and even to the schooner wreck for sharking. It was great in the begining but now I would never do that. I have bumped up my vessel to a pursuit 3000 offshore with 12 ft beam. BIG DIFFERENCE. Getting caught out there in a small boat is no joke. It's just plain dangerous! One time it took me 5 hrs just to get back in honest 6 footers with a storm that you wouldn't believe from just 40 miles off. Small boats are for small seas. Hitch a ride, charter but dont go venturing out there if your not suited for it, in both experience and vessel size, both are needed. You may get lucky and have flats seas all day but all of us know that it could change in a second and most times for the worse. I usually don't write long responses but I felt that your subject matter was important to you and your crew. Dont jepordize yourself much less someone else.
Capt. Grover

 

[springman26]

TonySMJC wrote:
If your unsure of what conditions your boat can handle or unsure of what conditions to expect and need ask on a web site what others think , Do both yourself and your passengers a favor and dont go. Your not ready to venture offshore.

Just my Humble opinion

Anyone venturing offshore should be well versed in both his boats capabilities and able to judge current and future weather conditions based on existing published data..

Now heres what you wanted

With any kind of weather anywhere near the area I would be damed if I would travel anywhere near offshore on a 22 ft anything.

Good luck

Man do I really sound like an idiot? I was simply seeing what you guys thought of this weeks forecast that's all. I've owned many boats and have been boating for 15 years. I've been offshore many times and I'm prepared with a DCS VHF, a handheld, GPS, Radar and an EPIRB. I'm not looking to kill anyone just wanted a general idea of the possible conditions this week to plan accordingly.

 

[canyonero]

Those guys don't even know that the Butterfish isn't considered offshore (if you go by the traditional notion that offshore is 20 or more miles). Butterfish is about 16 miles from Montauk Point, although, I would add, that the Pt. and to Butterfish is often rougher than beyond, because of the shaols. Now one mile offshore at the point might be at the upper limits of a 22, but that's your call.

 

[TeamReelDeal]

we only have a 24fter and have hit butterfish 3 or 4 times so far and the dip last year. just make sure that it is 5 to 10knots or less and 2 to 4 or less. a couple weeks ago we went out in 4 to 5 and 10-15knots, but it was all swell and then we did 4-5fters and 10-15 and it wasnt a smooth ride out, did about 15-18 knots with little pounding. check the bouy, the first trip had a big gap between swells and only about 1ft of wind chop on top. i use weather underground, so far all their reports have been on the rough side, which isnt a bad thing. hope this helps,

one of my buddies did mudhole in a 21ft scout which is a small boat, but it was a nice day

 

[springman26]

TeamReelDeal wrote:
we only have a 24fter and have hit butterfish 3 or 4 times so far and the dip last year. just make sure that it is 5 to 10knots or less and 2 to 4 or less. a couple weeks ago we went out in 4 to 5 and 10-15knots, but it was all swell and then we did 4-5fters and 10-15 and it wasnt a smooth ride out, did about 15-18 knots with little pounding. check the bouy, the first trip had a big gap between swells and only about 1ft of wind chop on top. i use weather underground, so far all their reports have been on the rough side, which isnt a bad thing. hope this helps,

one of my buddies did mudhole in a 21ft scout which is a small boat, but it was a nice day


many thanks this is exactly the kind of info I'm looking for.

 

[carlynewlondon]

Shopping for someone who will tell you its OK?

Remember forecasts go wrong all the time. Don't consider it if the wind is anything other than S, W, or SW and has been for a day and will be for another one. not the kind of boat to thread the needle on a weather window. Don't consider if any possibility of T storms are in the forecast. Rent a raft. If your vessel doesn't have twin power go with a buddy boat. Sea Tow doesn't go offshore. The mast on your VHF on the 22 probably isn't high enough to reach shore to call for help anyway.

Sharking sucks in 5kt winds, you need some wind to get drift. Some of the best days are in 15kt+ winds and 3-5's.

This post edited by carlynewlondon 11:36 AM 07/14/2008

 

[OceanChaser]

carlynewlondon wrote:
Shopping for someone who will tell you its OK?

Remember forecasts go wrong all the time. Don't consider it if the wind is anything other than S, W, or SW and has been for a day and will be for another one. not the kind of boat to thread the needle on a weather window. Don't consider if any possibility of T storms are in the forecast. Rent a raft. If your vessel doesn't have twin power go with a buddy boat. Sea Tow doesn't go offshore. The mast on your VHF on the 22 probably isn't high enough to reach shore to call for help anyway.

Sharking sucks in 5kt winds, you need some wind to get drift. Some of the best days are in 15kt+ winds and 3-5's.

Yea OK. This coming from someone who states "forecasts go wrong".
I believe the terminology is Forcasts can be inaccurate???

Sea tow does and has gone offshore. The guy has a 22 foot boat...he cannot go into 3 to 5's safely. Great advice.

TeemReelDeal gave some good advice along with a few others.
Be careful and stay safe.

 

[TonySMJC]

In a word

Yes

While Im not saying your an Idiot

Your post made you sound like a very very very new boater

 

[captadamnj]

The Inlets Are The Real Danger

Getting back to the actual sea conditions this week, the ocean should be pretty darn nice. Winds should be light, seas will be mostly from far apart swells generated from Bertha off of Bermuda. The real danger this week to boats of all sizes is going to be navigating inlets. Off of NJ, the southeasterly swell is wreaking havoc along the beaches, 3 dead/missing this weekend. Inlets are very dangerous, especially on an ebbing tide that is further standing up the seas. On Saturday morning, just to get out my inlet (Little Egg Inlet), I had to come to a complete stop and wait for a couple sets of 8'-10' breakers to roll through before taking my shot. Sounds like how they navigate those inlets out on the west coast.

 

[nealchick]

weather

reading the reports, I'd say wed is your day. 2-4 mainly in a s swell, winds around 5 kts.

TBS I wouldn't recommend going to the butterfish hole in a 22 footer. I used to run a 26 and my log book shows many an entry that says I need a bigger boat just running in from that area.

The other problem you might experience is that you're looking for really unique weather conditions since you really want a breeze of 10+knots to ensure a quality drift, but those winds will create less than ideal travelling conditions for you.

One more thing if you're getting "out there" add in a life raft to your safety equipment even if it's a coastal version. I certainly feel alot safer with one on board, especially when we're talking shark fishing.

Since you're from Southold, you can certainly run to the point and around and see whether the seas are too much, you can always just fish the point or Gardiners, even Block I to make the trip worth while.

One other thing I could offer is that there are plenty of sharks within a few miles of the beach, people just don't normally set up there to fish for them. You may want to just get around the point and set up 8-10 miles out, drop in some chum, they are there, plus you can fluke all day and put some meat in the box.

Just a suggestion, good luck and be safe!

 

[springman26]

Wow the internet is such a fun place. I ask a simple question and I guess I made myself look like a fool.

I'm not looking for permission to go offshore. I know with the internet you can find whatever answer you want. Should I rob a bank? I'm sure if I posted this in the right place people would have be able to justify that. That was not my intention.

I of course will use all available resources before setting out. I was only looking for a few ideas on this weeks conditions ]in addition to other weather resources.

Tight lines !

 

[carlynewlondon]

OceanChaser wrote:
carlynewlondon wrote:
Shopping for someone who will tell you its OK?

Remember forecasts go wrong all the time. Don't consider it if the wind is anything other than S, W, or SW and has been for a day and will be for another one. not the kind of boat to thread the needle on a weather window. Don't consider if any possibility of T storms are in the forecast. Rent a raft. If your vessel doesn't have twin power go with a buddy boat. Sea Tow doesn't go offshore. The mast on your VHF on the 22 probably isn't high enough to reach shore to call for help anyway.

Sharking sucks in 5kt winds, you need some wind to get drift. Some of the best days are in 15kt+ winds and 3-5's.

Yea OK. This coming from someone who states "forecasts go wrong".
I believe the terminology is Forcasts can be inaccurate???

Sea tow does and has gone offshore. The guy has a 22 foot boat...he cannot go into 3 to 5's safely. Great advice.

TeemReelDeal gave some good advice along with a few others.
Be careful and stay safe.






Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

It's nearly impossible to have conditions that allow a 22 footer to go 20+ miles offshore safely and catch fish. Good luck calling Sea-Tow you have about a snowballs chance in he11 they'd hear you and show up.

If you're going to correct me on the use of the english language please spell forecast correctly.

This post edited by carlynewlondon 08:48 PM 07/14/2008

 

[captainlarry84]

I concur

captadamnj

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The Inlets Are The Real Danger

Getting back to the actual sea conditions this week, the ocean should be pretty darn nice. Winds should be light, seas will be mostly from far apart swells generated from Bertha off of Bermuda. The real danger this week to boats of all sizes is going to be navigating inlets. Off of NJ, the southeasterly swell is wreaking havoc along the beaches, 3 dead/missing this weekend. Inlets are very dangerous, especially on an ebbing tide that is further standing up the seas. On Saturday morning, just to get out my inlet (Little Egg Inlet), I had to come to a complete stop and wait for a couple sets of 8'-10' breakers to roll through before taking my shot. Sounds like how they navigate those inlets out on the west coast.

Captadamj,
Hit the big problem square on. With moderate wind in the wrong direction couple with the ground swell, harms way can look you right in the face.

 

[roblehnert]

Breakers

We ran out of shinne**** yesterday, and the swells were huge. Beautiful outside, but the inlet was treacherous. A small boat like ours, 23 Grady, was better in the swells, but a bigger boat would have had a tough time coming in. Be careful out there.

 

[springman26]

Ok well I think we will run to Montauk tomorrow to the Butterfish or maybe even closer. I will be sure and post so pics of the catch!

 

[deadlydan]

[/quote]

Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

It's nearly impossible to have conditions that allow a 22 footer to go 20+ miles offshore safely and catch fish. Good luck calling Sea-Tow you have about a snowballs chance in he11 they'd hear you and show up.

If you're going to correct me on the use of the english language please spell forecast correctly.[/quote]

Not true, planning planning planning and a **** good captain is what you need. If you can't get or dont have both of those, stay away. I've seen plenty of larger boats go out thinking they are safe because of their size and they were incorrect. Plenty of 21+ boats out there sharking 30+ miles and the occasional canyon run. Best best if you can, find a sister boat and plan around that.

 

[springman26]

Ran out today to the butterfish hole. Had a **** of a time trying to get blues for bait. We finally got a few blues along with some bass at the point. The seas were nice and calm and I could have gone out in a canoe. Anyway fished for many hours and got one dogfish and lost a mystery fish. The fish took the deep bait and made a mad run then all of a sudden it was gone. Reel back in and find that the steel cable part of the leader was broken. How the **** does the cable part break? Oh well still a nice day on the water and better than work!

This post edited by springman26 07:30 PM 07/17/2008