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i've noticed that in several towns on the northshore the stormdrains flow directly into the harbors or bays. all of the runoff from the streets and people's lawns goes directly into the waters. i'm sure that its no surprise to anyone that this happens. i know some towns have taken action and have banned certain pesticides from being used on lawns and i think other towns need to take notice. i thought i read somewhere a few years ago that some towns on the northshore received money from the state to change up the drainage systems so the water doesnt flow unfiltered directly into harbors, but apparently i was wrong. the problems with runoff aren't hard to see, for instance, shellfishing is banned after a certain amount of rainfall due to the shellfish consuming contaminants that are directly attributed to the runoff. my main point is that runoff is a major contributor to the inferior quality of water in the sound, and most of the communities on the northshore are relatively wealthy and can definitely get some money together to help clean it up. if not directly from them it should be state or federally funded. just wondering about other peoples thoughts on this and ive got pages to write about this so if anyone can direct me to the address or email where words might count it would be appreciated.
 

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Here's something even worse to think about Chester;

The homes in most North Shore communities have cesspools. Since most of these communities are built high up in the hills, where do you think the liquid waste in those cesspools go as the hills naturally drain?

Most surf casters can tell you that if you visit the banks of any number of these communities during low tide you can see the oily discharge flowing out of the cliffs beneath the homes. This is especially so along the harbors and esturaries where the populations are much higher. After extreme rainfall, the oily sludge even smells like a cesspool.

Another note, if you hike along the portion of the Long Island Greenbelt trail in Kings Park there is a sewer plant just north of St. Johnland Rd behind the Nissequoge River State Park & the old Hospital grounds. During the winter, the plant is visible from the water. This sewer plant is STILL fully operational. It resides right on the banks of the Nissequoge river. There is a pipe that leaves the plant into the water. Does anyone know where the treated sludge from this plant is being discharged? Is it right into the river or a mile or two out into the Sound? W

Why does the trail smell of untreated waste right after a hard rainfall? How much of the plant's overflow is finding its way into the river? The Nissequoge is now protected under the NYS Scenic & Recreational River Act. Doesn't that act prohibit such a plant from continuing to operate? What political strings were pulled to overlook this extreme danger to the environment.

Now I've given you some real material to write about.

Good luck!
 

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I live in Kings Park & I am familar with the plant you are talking about. It is my understanding that this plant is no longer in service & hasn't been for serveral years. Let's say 10 years as I've liveed there for the last 15 or so & it has not been in operation at that time. There is no discharge into the river. The pipe is still there but not used.

The treatment plant serviced the hospital in it's hay day & did discharge into the river during that time - badly polluting it. Today most of the grounds are empty of people & the few remaining patients (under 50) are now housed in two buildings off of 25A
 

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Lets get really political. My buddy Bill gave the Long Island Sound millions to help clean up everything that comes down from the hudson. At the same time it was taken away by George W. But we did get a tax refund. Spend it wisely. And dont eat northshore fish. Even the lobsters are gone? Catch and realese. LILCO ROB.
 

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Sorry Wader but you are wrong. I rarely write about something unless I am fairly certain I know what I am talking about.

I wanted to follow-up on what you wrote so I took a ride down there. The gates were open so I drove through. When I approached the plant, not only was it open, but a sewer truck was pumping its load into the plant. A County worker approached me and asked what I was doing there. I told him I took a wrong turn. I asked him what the place was and he stated that it was a sewer treatment plant. I asked if it was active and he said of course it is. I asked how long and he said "Forever"!!

I saw GIANT pools of waste and some large buildings with humming sounds inside that sound like pumps. When I was leaving I saw a couple jogging on St. Johnland and I asked them if they knew anything about the plant. They stated that the plant receives deliveries two or three times a day!

Take a ride down there and you will see. If the gates are locked, go to where they are doing the construction on St Johnland by the pond and hike North along the Greenbelt trail that begins right at the construction (just South of the historic home). As you go into the woods, there is a hill on your left. Climb up the hill and you will get a good look at the sewer plant and the pipes that leave it. You will hear and smell the plant before you see it. Also, the signs all say "Suffolk County Property" It is fenced in and not part of the State Hopsital Grounds.

I then did a little research on the web and found this website that highlights how this facility in Kings Park pumps 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY into the water!!!

Long Island Sound Sewer Plants

So I ask again, where do the pipes go? Who inspects the pipes for leaks? How much untrated waste is overflowing into the river every time we have a heavy rainfall????

If Wader lives in the neighborhood for 15 years and he remembers that the plant pumped waste right into the river, who is to say that The County didn't continue the operation without our knowledge?

Wader, please go take a look and tell us what you think. It sounds like you know the area better than anyone here so you can help find out where the 2 million gallons is going each day!
 

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I do a little checking & some inquiries (also a member of the KP Civic Association - so that may be directed that way as well). Again - only have seen a single pipe going into the river. I've surf casted alongside of it many times across many years & it's dry. So unless there are other pipes (which would have to be burried - I've surf cast the whole lenght of the river & not seen any) I'm not sure where/if the treated waste discharges.
Will find out:
* where they discharge - may come out the way it goes in - by truck
* how active

I know the hospital used to use it - it did dump into the river & the river was closed to fishing & shell fishing for awhile due to pollution. They still ban shellfishing.
 

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I do a little checking & some inquiries (also a member of the KP Civic Association - so that may be directed that way as well). Again - only have seen a single pipe going into the river. I've surf casted alongside of it many times across many years & it's dry. So unless there are other pipes (which would have to be burried - I've surf cast the whole lenght of the river & not seen any) I'm not sure where/if the treated waste discharges.
Will find out:
* where they discharge - may come out the way it goes in - by truck
* how active

I know the hospital used to use it - it did dump into the river & the river was closed to fishing & shell fishing for awhile due to pollution. They still ban shellfishing.
 

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I called the Suffolk County Department of Works. The plant is fully functional. Suffolk County Sewer District #6 is actually called "Kings Park". Not only is it fully functional but Govenor Pataki signed a bill in 1998 to allocate millions of dollars to upgrade its output by 1.2 million gallons more a day! The output does not get trucked away because the Pataki upgrade was specifically to reduce the nitrogen levels it is discharging into the Long Island Sound! I asked if that meant the waste was piped underground to the middle of the Sound somewhere or if it was being pumped into the river somewhere. THEY DID NOT KNOW! Asked who would know -THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT EITHER. ASked for the name of the supervisor at the plant -I was told that the plant is only manned 3 or 4 hours a day. The rest of the time it is on AUTOPILOT.

Wonder if that autopilot has a way to increase output when it rains to avoid overflow.
 
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