[MakoMike]

Option #...SizeLimit.....Bag Limit.........Open Season.....Reduction %
1...............19...............2..............June 28 ? Sep 1..........52.1
2...............19...............2..............June 7 ? July 22.........52.1
3...............19...............4...............July 6 ? Sep 1..........52.0
4...............19...............4..............June 7 ? July 14.........51.9
5...............19...............7...............July 7 ? Sep 1..........51.6
6...............19...............7..............June 7 ? July 13..........51.4
7...............19.5..............2..............June 1 ? Sep 1............51.5
8..............19.5...............4..............June 12 ? Sep 1............51.9
9..............19.5...............4...............June 7 ? Aug 4 19...........51.5
10.............19.5...............7..............June 14 ? Sep 1............51.2
11.............19.5...............7...............June 7 ? Aug 12...........51.8
12..............20................7..............Jan 1 ? Dec 31...........57.0

 

[JC30967]

Is there a general consensus, Mike? Option 12 would still be better than NY's best option... 1/2" less than us, 3 more fish per person, & an open season. Besides, from my (little) personal experience, and from hearing other people talk about it, you guys sure do seem to have a significant population of quality fluke up there. Mabey a 20" size wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as for most places in NY, especially since you'll have the benefit of no closed season & a bag of 7.

 

[chunknfool]

eh hard to call it but i wouldnt hate 12 so much, seems to be the best for me.

 

[sandman]

big deal we had open season last year and they close on us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they going to do what they want.

 

[LooneyTunes]

MM,

Do these reduction numbers include mortality? If so, what mortality rates are they assuming.

Option 12 gives a 57 reduction (7 fish at 20") All year
However, option 1 gives just above 52 reduction (2 fish at 19") 2 month season

I just find it a little bit more difficult to believe that landing 20" fluke results in less mortality than 2 fish at 19". That is why I have questions of actual reduction.

What really needs to be done is a slot limit. One day, when I get a chance I will work out a slot scenario.

LooneyTunes
Dave

 

[flatts1b]

I don't fish RI much, but I'm curious.

At option 12, how many fish would RI folks estimate most anglers would actually go home with after 4 hours on the water?

Thanks,
Mike F.

 

[MakoMike]

JC30967 wrote:
Is there a general consensus, Mike? Option 12 would still be better than NY's best option... 1/2" less than us, 3 more fish per person, & an open season. Besides, from my (little) personal experience, and from hearing other people talk about it, you guys sure do seem to have a significant population of quality fluke up there. Mabey a 20" size wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as for most places in NY, especially since you'll have the benefit of no closed season & a bag of 7.

I like option 12 and will be commenting to that effect. Our season really doesn't start until late May and ends around the second week of Sept. baturally, so an all year season really doesn't do much for us. We coaught plenty of fish over 19 inches last year.

 

[MakoMike]

sandman wrote:


big deal we had open season last year and they close on us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they going to do what they want.

No one closed the season on "us." it opened in May and closed in Sept. just as it was scheduled to do.

 

[MakoMike]

Guys,
I appreciate the questions about mortality, expected catch, etc. But the simple truth is that I have no idea as to what went into formulating the proposed options. I might be able to find out through my contacts with the RI DEM or the ASMFC, but I'm sure I wouldn't have any answers before the hearing.

 

[JC30967]

MakoMike wrote:
sandman wrote:


big deal we had open season last year and they close on us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they going to do what they want.

No one closed the season on "us." it opened in May and closed in Sept. just as it was scheduled to do.



Right, that was NEW YORK'S DEC that did that to NY anglers. Like I said in a prevoius topic, RI seems to be, overall, a much more "fish friendly" state than NY.

And, like CaptPaul has said in regards to our situation in NY, which can be applied to RI in this case, no one is saying that these regs are justified, ie. fluke are in trouble and need stringent regs. Not the case at all! It's just a question of which option would be somewhat less painful to the majority of anglers in the state.

 

[CaptPaul]

Mortality is figured at ten percent of released fish. As the size limit increases, so does the estimated percentage of released fish. In 2006, for example, 85% of fluke were returned, coastwide. So 15% of the fish die automatically, since they are kept, and ten percent of the eighty-five percent theoretically die from release mortality. Each state had different numbers, but that gives you an idea of how much quota each state is using up by raising thier minimum size.

Scientists have a very comprehensive chart in relation to what percentage of the quota gets caught on just about any day of the year. Again, it may not be correct, but it is comprehensive.

Paul