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I have read several cod fishing reports that include porbegale sharks. Do people target these fish? Are they good to eat? They get pretty big, are they hard/fun to bring in? Wouldn't fighting one of these be somewaht inconvienent for others around you who are targeting cod on a crowded partyboat? Seeing that it is a glarge toothed shark, I assume that they woulddn't be brought aboard alive, how would this be handeled? To target them what methods are employed? Any other info or opinions about Porbegale sharks on cod trips?
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They are great to eat, so tender . Great on grill. Now is the time to get them so either keep a shark rig near by or keep a wire leader handy. There was some talk about banning the rec take on them because they are over fished in Canada but I haven't heard how that worked out. If I caught one it would be kept. The mates will know how to handle it.

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porbeagle sharks

The porbeagle is a stout shark that is blue-gray on top and white underneath with a white patch on the trailing edge of the first dorsal fin. It has a crescent shaped tail and a secondary keel that effectively cuts the water during the side to side swimming motion. Adults can attain a size of 3.7 meters (12 feet), and have an average life expectancy of 30 to 40 years. This shark has relatively large eyes. The teeth in the moderately sized mouth are similar in both the upper and lower jaw (they are smooth-edged with lateral denticles), although young individuals may lack the lateral denticles.

Photo from the Canadian Shark Research Laboratory web site

The porbeagle has a heat regulating mechanism that raises the body temperature 2.7 to 8.3 degrees Celsius above the surrounding water temperature. This allows the shark to operate more efficiently in the cooler waters it inhabits. Unlike many other sharks the porbeagle must swim at all times in order to breathe.

Diet

The porbeagle feeds mainly upon pelagic fishes such as herring, lancetfish and mackerel. However they also eat cod, redfish, haddock, squid and shellfish.

Reproduction

The porbeagle is ovoviviparous, retaining the developing young within the brood chamber before giving birth to live young. The developing sharks obtain nutrients by devouring other fertilized eggs in the oviduct. Young are probably born in the late winter and spring. The females generally produce 4 pups that are between 60 to 75 cm long at birth. Female porbeagles reach sexual maturity at an age of 12 years or older, while the males are mature at age 7.

A porbeagle shark embryo.

Habitat

The porbeagle shark is common in pelagic and littoral zones, and inhabits water down to a depth of 370 meters (1,120 feet). It is most commonly found on continental shelves or inshore. It prefers cool waters and is usually found in temperatures below 14 degrees Celsius.

Range

Porbeagles occur on both sides of the Atlantic, and in the south Pacific and Indian Oceans. In the western North Atlantic it can be found from Raleigh, Newfoundland at its northernmost range to the Gulf of St. Lawrence, the Scotian Shelf, the Bay of Fundy and the Gulf of Maine to New Jersey and perhaps to South Carolina. Off Nova Scotia the porbeagle is generally found in waters less than 14 degrees Celsius.

Distinguishing Characteristics

White patch on the trailing edge of the first dorsal fin
Caudal fin with secondary keel
Lateral denticles on the teeth
Lunate tail

Lateral denticles in porbeagle teeth are not found in the teeth of a mako

Primary and secondary keels on porbeagle tail distinguish it from a mako, which lacks the secondary keel

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Portbeagles

For the most part they are usually hooked while someone is bringing in a codfish. The shark grabs the cod on the way up and the fight begins. Very few are ever landed however. I have seen at least 8-10 hooked on the Viking while fishing in the area of georges and have only witnessed 3 landed. Onec they get going they usually either cut you off or spool you.
 

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They actually can be a pain in the arse when fishing for cod because, like john said, they eat your cod. We have landed some by rod and reel and also by free gaffing them. One was brought up on the boat and weighed in at 450 lbs.
Bringing them on the boat live is something you must do with care, as they are very fiesty, so stand back.
Bring a couple wire rigs with you. Catching them is welcome on most boats.
 

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jjdbike wrote:
Wouldn't fighting one of these be somewaht inconvienent for others around you who are targeting cod on a crowded partyboat?

Indeed it may cut into everyone else's fishing time, but it really is a blast to watch someone land one of these beasts. As long as I have a few in the box, I don't mind, besides, it might be me (or you) that hooks up. Sharking on a groundfishing trip can be a nice bonus, IMO.

However if fishing is tough, I would prefer to maximize the amount of time my line is in the water rather than watch someone else trying to land a shark.

So my answer is yes and no. :)


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Great info. Thanks.
How would one know if they are present?
Are they schooling, social fish. i.e., if there is on, are there more?
If they are caught on fish being brought in, would live-lineing a small ground fish, or even a head or other chunk be an effective method of targeting them?
I see your point obtuseangler.
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'Beagles are usually few and far between, but the boats fishing cod grounds south of the Cape are running into a lot of them right now. There is a pocket of life out there, and a good concentration of these sharks. There is no telling how long it will last. As far as targetting them on purpose - first and foremost, ask if it's cool with the boat when you make your reservation. Be considerate to other fares, which means bringing your heaviest 100+lb tuna gear, and setting the drag as high as you can stand it - a 150lb class shark shouldn't take more than a minute or two to get into gaff range if you use the right gear. A 400lb animal is a whole 'nother story. On the plus side, if you get one of those, you can compensate everybody on board for lost fishing time by sharing the steaks.

Like Dom said in another thread, there is a real ethical problem with killing these things - they are just too darn cute, and very scarce these days. I had a rediculously easy shot at free gaffing a 4' pup a couple of years ago, put my hand on the gaff, and couldn't bring myself to lift it out of the holder. To top off the cuteness factor, porbeagles and salmon sharks are the only two shark species on the planet that have been documented playing with inanimate objects - broken off lobster pots and such. These are curious fish with a playful personality. I'd much sooner put a gaff in a sea lion than a porbeagle.

Then again, they all have to die some time. If I were going to fish for them, I'd use a 3-5lb pollock, carefully vented and gently hooked in front of the dorsal, just through the skin. A haddock would be second choice, and a short cod a distant third. You want something that's shiny, wiggly, and bloody, the (il)legalities of using groundfish for bait not withstanding.
 

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FishWisher wrote:

you can compensate everybody on board for lost fishing time by sharing the steaks.
-they are just too darn cute, and very scarce these days. porbeagles and salmon sharks are the only two shark species on the planet that have been documented playing with inanimate objects -
- the (il)legalities of using groundfish for bait not withstanding.

All excellent points. Did not know that they were scarce & didn't know about useing groundfish as bait was illegal.
Thanks again folks.
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I didn't know that, Mike. Playful activity. Interesting bit of trivia.

I always said that nobody would go fishing if the fish could make noises like sqeals, cries and yelps like other animals make. Think of the sound made when you've accidentally stepped on a dog's foot. You wouldn't have to worry about overcrowding on party boats.

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Frank:

My god, could you imagine if they squealed like that, you would have to wear earplugs or keep your ipod in your ears...that would be something.

Like Mike said it is an ethical dilemma as to whether to kill one or not...I was on a private boat one time, I had a small one hanging on to a small pollack, thing couldn't have been more than 50 pounds or so,,,,stupid me thought it was a mako...but he just would not let go of that pollack...

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Goliath wrote:
I always said that nobody would go fishing if the fish could make noises like sqeals, cries and yelps like other animals make.

Sea lions do all of the above when you hook them, and yet it gets them no sympathy from the west coast fishing crowd. In fact, everybody thinks it's funny, except for the guy fighting the furry fish - he's ticked off and embarrassed at hooking untargetted species. It's all a matter of a perception. Wounded deer bleat in a heart rending fashion, but this vocalization is hardly a deterent for deer hunters. I just happen to have a soft spot for porbeagles. Wouldn't think twice about killing a mako or a thresher.
 

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They are friendlier than most dolphins. And just look at those pitch black puppy eyes! So cute...

I wouldn't worry about the groundfish for bait thing too much - that's one rule on the books that gets broken by the entire tuna fleet in GOM. ****, I broke it myself every time I put a strip of redfish or cusk on the hook. It doesn't exactly keep me up at night.
 

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FishWisher wrote:
To top off the cuteness factor, porbeagles and salmon sharks are the only two shark species on the planet that have been documented playing with inanimate objects - broken off lobster pots and such. These are curious fish.
I don't know where you got that information from but I have seen many different species, esp. Mako & Blue Shark, many many times, "playing" with inanimate objects.

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FishWisher said:
They are friendlier than most dolphins. And just look at those pitch black puppy eyes! So cute...

How would one determine this? Put on some fins & swim with them I suppose? With those teeth, & knowing who their relitives are, don't know if I'd want to play with them:confused:

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