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$6600.....did you see the pictures?....
where's speedy?....lol!
where's speedy?....lol!
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More to come after this season. Take your pick.
Morning Steamboat and guys....you hit it right on the head with a bunch of well known captains looking to throw in the towel at the end of this season.
This boat was given to a charity by Tommy's family, and I believe Tommy lived in Lynbrook for a number of years. From what I heard there were a few guys, one being the sons of another boat in the Bay that were looking to buy it and were 'tire-kicking', but they backed out because it 'was not the right deal', again from what I was told by a good source this spring.
So far there is 15 bids, with the amount as of 5am, 6600 dollars. Gives you a rough idea on what a 60 foot wooden fishing boat is worth in this market. Unless you are familiar with working on and keeping up with a wood boat, they can be a handful to keep up to Coast Guard standards these days.
Is it a good deal?
Maybe out of New York where this boat can work inside some Bay area with short runs and a strong tourist trade for a few months during the late spring till early fall period.
The days of running these boats off in the winter months are quickly passing, and with the cost of diesel continuing to rise, the money is not in running off the beach especially with light crowds, but staying and fishing in areas that are fishing friendly and tight to the beach.
It is a sad sign of the times, and many more of the boats we started fishing on years back will eventually either be sold, or just tied to the dock.
Steamboat you said it best....the party boat market is pretty much like holding one of a number of bank stocks....they continue to drop in value, are not cheap to operate anymore, and have little if any appreciation in value over the forseeable future.
As one captain said to me, it is best to get out before it is too late in selling your boat...if you do keep it, prepare to work a different job during the winter to make a living. With the future of fishing regulations being even more restrictive, and this whole nonsense about cutting the sea bass bag limits starting in 2009, what inshore fishery is left for a party boat owner to know he will have a consistent following during a season?
Many of us saw the best of this industry.....now we are going to see the most drastic changes for all fishermen from now and into the future.
EC NEWELL MAN><
This boat was given to a charity by Tommy's family, and I believe Tommy lived in Lynbrook for a number of years. From what I heard there were a few guys, one being the sons of another boat in the Bay that were looking to buy it and were 'tire-kicking', but they backed out because it 'was not the right deal', again from what I was told by a good source this spring.
So far there is 15 bids, with the amount as of 5am, 6600 dollars. Gives you a rough idea on what a 60 foot wooden fishing boat is worth in this market. Unless you are familiar with working on and keeping up with a wood boat, they can be a handful to keep up to Coast Guard standards these days.
Is it a good deal?
Maybe out of New York where this boat can work inside some Bay area with short runs and a strong tourist trade for a few months during the late spring till early fall period.
The days of running these boats off in the winter months are quickly passing, and with the cost of diesel continuing to rise, the money is not in running off the beach especially with light crowds, but staying and fishing in areas that are fishing friendly and tight to the beach.
It is a sad sign of the times, and many more of the boats we started fishing on years back will eventually either be sold, or just tied to the dock.
Steamboat you said it best....the party boat market is pretty much like holding one of a number of bank stocks....they continue to drop in value, are not cheap to operate anymore, and have little if any appreciation in value over the forseeable future.
As one captain said to me, it is best to get out before it is too late in selling your boat...if you do keep it, prepare to work a different job during the winter to make a living. With the future of fishing regulations being even more restrictive, and this whole nonsense about cutting the sea bass bag limits starting in 2009, what inshore fishery is left for a party boat owner to know he will have a consistent following during a season?
Many of us saw the best of this industry.....now we are going to see the most drastic changes for all fishermen from now and into the future.
EC NEWELL MAN><
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The party boat industry hasn't hit rock bottom yet. There is still business to be had but it's getting tougher. You have all heard about the ever rising expenses of conducting business.
The trick today is the same as it has always been. You need to own a fuel efficient seaworthy boat and keep it well maintained. You need to be able to do most of the maintenance yourself. If you have to hire from the outside to do most of your work it's cost prohibitive.
I still feel very positive about the business but just like in nature only the strong will survive. Fishing in the bays and not giving people the fishing they deserve is not in our future. I couldn't take peoples money without giving our best effort to put a good catch together.
I'm glad to here that the Pilot family will be donating the sale of the boat to charity. The boat is worth much more than the current bid. The engines, generators, shafts , propellers, etc. are worth more.
All businesses are facing tough times ahead, not just the party boat business. Lets hope that our great nation can weather yet another economic storm and come out on top once again.
This post edited by steamboat1 11:20 PM 06/15/2008
The trick today is the same as it has always been. You need to own a fuel efficient seaworthy boat and keep it well maintained. You need to be able to do most of the maintenance yourself. If you have to hire from the outside to do most of your work it's cost prohibitive.
I still feel very positive about the business but just like in nature only the strong will survive. Fishing in the bays and not giving people the fishing they deserve is not in our future. I couldn't take peoples money without giving our best effort to put a good catch together.
I'm glad to here that the Pilot family will be donating the sale of the boat to charity. The boat is worth much more than the current bid. The engines, generators, shafts , propellers, etc. are worth more.
All businesses are facing tough times ahead, not just the party boat business. Lets hope that our great nation can weather yet another economic storm and come out on top once again.
This post edited by steamboat1 11:20 PM 06/15/2008
Does anyone know who owns the dock that Pilot II is docked at. Looking for the owner to see if that dock is available for rent.
Or anyone who knows where Pilot is and If there is dockage close by? I am thinking of purchasing Pilot and will need dockage for at least until Sept. if not till next spring
Or anyone who knows where Pilot is and If there is dockage close by? I am thinking of purchasing Pilot and will need dockage for at least until Sept. if not till next spring
Marina's in New York Harbor area.
If anyone here has an open dock and would consider renting me a dock for Pilot II please respond. I would really like someone to babysit the boat till Sept. I am presently deployed in Iraq and will not be able to come home until Sept. So until I need a dock and someone to check on it occasionally so she isn;t vandalized or worse start taking on water. I'll probably be moving the boat to the Lake Erie in spring. Didn't want to see this boat end up in a salavge yard. Any input anyone has on the above please contact me. Thanks in advance. Safe Boating out there, Denny
If anyone here has an open dock and would consider renting me a dock for Pilot II please respond. I would really like someone to babysit the boat till Sept. I am presently deployed in Iraq and will not be able to come home until Sept. So until I need a dock and someone to check on it occasionally so she isn;t vandalized or worse start taking on water. I'll probably be moving the boat to the Lake Erie in spring. Didn't want to see this boat end up in a salavge yard. Any input anyone has on the above please contact me. Thanks in advance. Safe Boating out there, Denny
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CANT KILL THOSE ENGINES DETROIT DEISELS
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Last time I was on that boat, they lost an impeller. And limped back from Long Branch. It was a fixer upper to put it gently. There must be reasons that boat will sell for less than it takes to repower a little Mako.
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I can't believe the bids aren't going any higher. If the boat had a full tank of fuel, that alone would be worth 1/3 of the selling price.
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I hope you made arrangements once you purchased this vessel. You will have to contact the NYC DOCK DEPARTMENT, or even better, have someone here in New York dial 311 and get the contact numbers for information on which agency handles this, and the availability of that pier.
If not and you have to move that vessel quickly, try to contact one of the local large marinas in the area, or if you can, have it transported to Tottenville Marina/Shipyard in Staten Island, where they do handle the pulling and storing of party boats.
Then when you get back to the states, you can work out the details on what to do with the vessel.
I wish you the best of luck with the Pilot II...return home safe, and thank you for your service to this country.
If any of the boat owning captains within the Sheepshead Bay can give this guy a hand or information, please post or send a PM to A Boat Bum 1.
EC NEWELL MAN<>
I hope you made arrangements once you purchased this vessel. You will have to contact the NYC DOCK DEPARTMENT, or even better, have someone here in New York dial 311 and get the contact numbers for information on which agency handles this, and the availability of that pier.
If not and you have to move that vessel quickly, try to contact one of the local large marinas in the area, or if you can, have it transported to Tottenville Marina/Shipyard in Staten Island, where they do handle the pulling and storing of party boats.
Then when you get back to the states, you can work out the details on what to do with the vessel.
I wish you the best of luck with the Pilot II...return home safe, and thank you for your service to this country.
If any of the boat owning captains within the Sheepshead Bay can give this guy a hand or information, please post or send a PM to A Boat Bum 1.
EC NEWELL MAN<>
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steamboat1 wrote:
The party boat industry hasn't hit rock bottom yet. There is still business to be had but it's getting tougher. You have all heard about the ever rising expenses of conducting business.
The trick today is the same as it has always been. You need to own a fuel efficient seaworthy boat and keep it well maintained. You need to be able to do most of the maintenance yourself. If you have to hire from the outside to do most of your work it's cost prohibitive.
I still feel very positive about the business but just like in nature only the strong will survive. Fishing in the bays and not giving people the fishing they deserve is not in our future. I couldn't take peoples money without giving our best effort to put a good catch together.
I'm glad to here that the Pilot family will be donating the sale of the boat to charity. The boat is worth much more than the current bid. The engines, generators, shafts , propellers, etc. are worth more.
All businesses are facing tough times ahead, not just the party boat business. Lets hope that our great nation can weather yet another economic storm and come out on top once again.
I agree with steamboat..the PB business is tough, but u just can't "skimp" by not making the effort to run and offer exciting fishing and expect business while still charging a price that would seem like a premium only 2 years ago. U have to offer something fun and exciting and be creative. The reason why I and others like the Flamingo so much is that it is one oof the few boats left that is willing to burn gas going all over the place to find birds working.
BTW, is the Flamingo fuel efficient? How old is the boat?...I can't imagine a boat like that unless it's been recently repowered being very fuel efficient, but what do I know?
This post edited by chinookhead 09:23 PM 06/16/2008
The party boat industry hasn't hit rock bottom yet. There is still business to be had but it's getting tougher. You have all heard about the ever rising expenses of conducting business.
The trick today is the same as it has always been. You need to own a fuel efficient seaworthy boat and keep it well maintained. You need to be able to do most of the maintenance yourself. If you have to hire from the outside to do most of your work it's cost prohibitive.
I still feel very positive about the business but just like in nature only the strong will survive. Fishing in the bays and not giving people the fishing they deserve is not in our future. I couldn't take peoples money without giving our best effort to put a good catch together.
I'm glad to here that the Pilot family will be donating the sale of the boat to charity. The boat is worth much more than the current bid. The engines, generators, shafts , propellers, etc. are worth more.
All businesses are facing tough times ahead, not just the party boat business. Lets hope that our great nation can weather yet another economic storm and come out on top once again.
I agree with steamboat..the PB business is tough, but u just can't "skimp" by not making the effort to run and offer exciting fishing and expect business while still charging a price that would seem like a premium only 2 years ago. U have to offer something fun and exciting and be creative. The reason why I and others like the Flamingo so much is that it is one oof the few boats left that is willing to burn gas going all over the place to find birds working.
BTW, is the Flamingo fuel efficient? How old is the boat?...I can't imagine a boat like that unless it's been recently repowered being very fuel efficient, but what do I know?
This post edited by chinookhead 09:23 PM 06/16/2008
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The dock dept will not allow a boat to birth in SHB unless it meets there requirments
Registered
Insured with them named as additional insured
Boat must be registed or documented by a Business They do not allow Pvt vessel in the bay at all
there are more the contract is 30 pages long
and they do not do seasonal leases only yearly
If they were to allow it the pilots rent is rougly 8000 a year less april may and june figure 6000 till next april
Slips in the bay are not rented as births but concessions
At least a minimum of access must be given to the public
Ie party. /charter boat , even the fish boat qualifies as the public can buy fish
Commercial boats and pvt boats are not allowed
Sorry Bum Thanks for keeping us all safe
Ecs idea is valid tottenville is set up for what you need plus they are able to do the work you would need to get to the lake
If you buy her and need a hand getting her out to SI give me a shout
The dock dept will not allow a boat to birth in SHB unless it meets there requirments
Registered
Insured with them named as additional insured
Boat must be registed or documented by a Business They do not allow Pvt vessel in the bay at all
there are more the contract is 30 pages long
and they do not do seasonal leases only yearly
If they were to allow it the pilots rent is rougly 8000 a year less april may and june figure 6000 till next april
Slips in the bay are not rented as births but concessions
At least a minimum of access must be given to the public
Ie party. /charter boat , even the fish boat qualifies as the public can buy fish
Commercial boats and pvt boats are not allowed
Sorry Bum Thanks for keeping us all safe
Ecs idea is valid tottenville is set up for what you need plus they are able to do the work you would need to get to the lake
If you buy her and need a hand getting her out to SI give me a shout
Gentlemen: Blue Claws, Tony SMJC, EC Newell Man. Thanks so much for the replies and information. I was the winning bidder on the Pilot II. I won with a bid of $7,600. I know its a shame that your industry is taking such a beating. I live on the shores of Lake Erie and we have a very heavy fishing charter area there for walleye and perch. I am going to look into the charter business there but of course we are stickly seasonal on the great lakes. My love for wood boats is why I selected the Pilot II. My plans are to convert it into a live aboard retirement home and hopefully end up in the gulf states when I retire. I have heard that the Gilliken boat were well made and still our today in NC. I had a feeling that both th listing on E-Bay stating the boat was a Gulligan and that it had twin 1871 detroits was incorrect. Do any of you have this type of boat with a pair of 871"s. Kinda like an Idea of fuel usage I might expect to go up the Husdon River (how far is it to Erie canal on the Hudson?) and across Erie Canal to Lake Erie. I will contact the Totteville marina and make arrangements for storage there. Tony SMJC. I'll let you know what ever arrangments I can make. I am sure I will have make arrangemtns for someone to meet with Tom's family to get the keys and they should have the electronics for the boat. Then just let me know what you need to move the boat to Tottenville if they cannot make arrangements to do it themselves. I tried to get a leave of absence and come to New York but they turned me down so I cannot come home till Sept 7th. So will head to NYC as soon as I land home. Blue Claws, like all professions (I am a paramedic/ firefighter/ resuce diver) and I work closelt with the busiest Coast Guard station on the great lakes,(Coast Guard Station Marblehead) we have our hangouts. If when I get there and Tom's captains hat is still on the vessel I will make sure you get it. I'am sure you all have a local hangout and thats where Toms hat should remain. If not I will leave it on his boat so he can be apart of it's future and continue cruising the waterways. Well again thanks for the info guys. I will keep you informed of up coming events with the boat and for those of you that knew Tom personally I'am sure you lost a good friend and I'am glad his passion and work pride will not end up in a salvage yard somewhere. Safe seas to all. Denny
Good morning Denny-
Here is the information with a visual and road map for Tottenville Marina on this website:
Tottenville Marina
The number should be:
( 718 ) 948-7520
There is a picture of the marina/shipyard to give you a good idea on what the facility looks like. Easy to reach (there also is a google map on this web page) by getting off at the last exit of 440 before the Outerbridge, go to the end of the street, make a left, straight down the road for 5 minutes from there and making a right on Ellis Street. The owner is a good guy, clean bathrooms, and loads of room to work in peace and at your own pace.
Coast Guard Station Marblehead? I am in Dunkirk (western part of NYS) during parts of the summer, and know about the INCREDIBLE fishing on Lake Erie (it is said to have some of the best smallmouth bass fishing in the northeast)...and interestingly, Lake Erie happens to have a number of shipwrecks, but I doubt anyone fishes the wrecks in that lake (have a big map showing where a number of the big shipwrecks that have gone down over the years are).
Anyway, if you need some help in getting the boat there, let myself or one of the other guys from the Bay know. Tony SMJC gave you some great info there on the particulars of getting a space on one of the piers within the Bay.
It sounds that with your passion about boats and fishing, the old Pilot II is getting a great new home! Captain Tom would be proud...
Good luck....
EC NEWELL MAN<>
Here is the information with a visual and road map for Tottenville Marina on this website:
Tottenville Marina
The number should be:
( 718 ) 948-7520
There is a picture of the marina/shipyard to give you a good idea on what the facility looks like. Easy to reach (there also is a google map on this web page) by getting off at the last exit of 440 before the Outerbridge, go to the end of the street, make a left, straight down the road for 5 minutes from there and making a right on Ellis Street. The owner is a good guy, clean bathrooms, and loads of room to work in peace and at your own pace.
Coast Guard Station Marblehead? I am in Dunkirk (western part of NYS) during parts of the summer, and know about the INCREDIBLE fishing on Lake Erie (it is said to have some of the best smallmouth bass fishing in the northeast)...and interestingly, Lake Erie happens to have a number of shipwrecks, but I doubt anyone fishes the wrecks in that lake (have a big map showing where a number of the big shipwrecks that have gone down over the years are).
Anyway, if you need some help in getting the boat there, let myself or one of the other guys from the Bay know. Tony SMJC gave you some great info there on the particulars of getting a space on one of the piers within the Bay.
It sounds that with your passion about boats and fishing, the old Pilot II is getting a great new home! Captain Tom would be proud...
Good luck....
EC NEWELL MAN<>
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shes getting a good home
Congrats on winning the bid
Im not sure what electronics are left aboard shes been gone over pretyy well by the old crew
Most rods and reels and spare parts have been taken
as well as any current lorans and gps units all the epirbs and strobes were taken off by this one or that one
As I said any help I can give is there
917 560 8224
If you need a go between let me know I see the old crew everyday
one of them could drop me the keys I will foward them to you or keep them her as your needs dictate
Congrats on winning the bid
Im not sure what electronics are left aboard shes been gone over pretyy well by the old crew
Most rods and reels and spare parts have been taken
as well as any current lorans and gps units all the epirbs and strobes were taken off by this one or that one
As I said any help I can give is there
917 560 8224
If you need a go between let me know I see the old crew everyday
one of them could drop me the keys I will foward them to you or keep them her as your needs dictate
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