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i dont like it
i dont want my kids thinking its right

if everyone was gay there wouldnt be anyone left

i tell my kids its wrong ,bad nd sick

just like the Visa the supreme court just passed for anyone to come to America to buy it up nd stay here for ever regardless if they speak the language or have there shots

screw them all
 

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What would you do Ed if one of your kids were gay?Or a brother or sister?

Maybe they should not be afforded priveleges of a traditional marriage but they are human beings and entitled to resprect.IMO.:)



This post edited by billy262 07:20 AM 06/17/2008
 

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I personally think that what people want to do in the privacy of their own "where ever" is their business and have tried to take the attitude "I don't care what people want to do as long as they don't want to do it to me!".

That being said, changing the institution of marriage is dead wrong! If the citizens of a state want to give rights to Gay couples that's fine by me, but the PEOPLE of the state should be able to decide that. What happened in California is a shining example of the liberal agenda at work (sorry to mention "liberals" but this is a case in point). They could NOT get their agenda passed through the legislature because the people want to keep marriage between a man and a woman, so they went to the courts and found a few judges who would grant a "right" that is direct opposition to the will of the people. That is why 26 states have already passed constitutional amendments to try and protect themselves from these court rulings.

The saying used to be that "if you don't like the laws, go change them". Today, if you don't like the laws, just go find a couple of judges who agree with your agenda and get a case before them. They'll change the law for you.
 

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Gaucho wrote:
Yeah...there going to steal our women...wait...they dont like women.

ok

It's going to be very crowded in ****:rolleyes:

but the women like women
 

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Its all about the money. First step is get the state to recognize gay marriage so that they can get state benefits for married couple. Their ultimate goal is to get the federal government to recognize it, so they can get social security benefits and filed joint tax returns.
 

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Its all about the money. First step is get the state to recognize gay marriage so that they can get state benefits for married couple. Their ultimate goal is to get the federal government to recognize it, so they can get social security benefits and filed joint tax returns.
But that's the whole slippery slope some people are looking to avoid. If same sex couples, why not family members? So, let's say two brother's in their 60's live together, one has great benefits, one doesn't. Siblings aren't eligible for benefits but "spouses" are, so all they have to do is get married. ****, why not? Different sex/same sex who cares right? Oh, that's crazy! Why? Like mike said, it's all about the bennies!!
 

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billy262 wrote:
... human beings and entitled to resprect.IMO.:)

Yeah--what he said.

Ed---I love you like a little brother I never wanted, but if you come to my neighborhood {Greenwich Village} sounding like that, they'd stick one of those rainbow flags in your azz and run you right out.
You oughta come to the Viallge and see some of the 'alternate' lifestyles. It's really not like most people think. I'm so used to seeing two men holding hands that I don't even notice it anymore.
Oh and some of the chicks are HOT HOT HOT!!!

For the record I'm not married to Cany--I'm married to a woman.

Although we sometimes make sweet love down by the lake when AZ isn't watching.
 

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I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with it..........

I have two gay brothers - both in committed relationships for the last 10 to almost 20 years. They own houses with their partners, share all bills, share & make decisions concerning their finances - everything you or I do in a legal marriage. But their status is not recognized.

Both were forced to move out of the state in order to obtain civil unions & gain some of the legal rights that a normal married couple have. Such as the basic right to make decisions concerning medical care should one of them become seriously ill & unable to make the decisions for themselves.
Could you imagine your wife or husband becoming incapacitated & you not able to make choices for them concerning their care? The person you?ve loved & lived with for these many years , shared a history with, planned for the future with, shared all responsibilities & decisions with ? potentially raised a child with is now seriously ill & the state says you have no right to determine their medical care?

Sorry ? we don?t recognize your legal status. Those decisions will have to be made by the ill person?s family.

Who probably have no clue as to what your ?partners? wishes maybe or in all likelihood don?t care!

Why should they be forced ? almost quarantined in the states they currently live in because if they want to live elsewhere other then were they do ? they will lose those rights.

It's like they were forced into exile.

You & I have the option & right to live anywhere we want. They are not afforded that ?luxury?.

Have they become modern day lepers forced into a colony on some island somewhere?

What happened to life, liberty & pursuit of happiness? Is it only for some?

It?s pathetic & wrong!

I use to see my brothers regularly. Now if I see them every few months that?s a lot. I miss them. Why should families be broken apart over distance simply to enjoy the rights we take for granted?

It?s wrong.

I refer to my brothers partners as brother-in-laws.

Because ? that?s what they are???
 

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I have two gay brothers - both in committed relationships for the last 10 to almost 20 years. They own houses with their partners, share all bills, share & make decisions concerning their finances - everything you or I do in a legal marriage. But their status is not recognized.

Both were forced to move out of the state in order to obtain civil unions & gain some of the legal rights that a normal married couple have. Such as the basic right to make decisions concerning medical care should one of them become seriously ill & unable to make the decisions for themselves.
Could you imagine your wife or husband becoming incapacitated & you not able to make choices for them concerning their care? The person you?ve loved & lived with for these many years , shared a history with, planned for the future with, shared all responsibilities & decisions with ? potentially raised a child with is now seriously ill & the state says you have no right to determine their medical care?

Sorry ? we don?t recognize your legal status. Those decisions will have to be made by the ill person?s family.

Who probably have no clue as to what your ?partners? wishes maybe or in all likelihood don?t care!

Why should they be forced ? almost quarantined in the states they currently live in because if they want to live elsewhere other then were they do ? they will lose those rights.

It's like they were forced into exile.

You & I have the option & right to live anywhere we want. They are not afforded that ?luxury?.

Have they become modern day lepers forced into a colony on some island somewhere?

What happened to life, liberty & pursuit of happiness? Is it only for some?

It?s pathetic & wrong!

I use to see my brothers regularly. Now if I see them every few months that?s a lot. I miss them. Why should families be broken apart over distance simply to enjoy the rights we take for granted?

It?s wrong.

I refer to my brothers partners as brother-in-laws.

Because ? that?s what they are???

I am not unsympathetic to your brothers' plight. But it seems to me that they have recieved some bad advice. A simple power of attorney could have cured the problem you cite without the need to move or to enter into a "civil union."
 

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They deserve the same legal rights as everyone else, I don't care what you call it - marriage or civil union or whatever. What I don't like is people who get divorced 2 or 3 times objecting on the basis of "saving" or "protecting" the institution of marriage.
 

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Sure...why not...let them have what they want.


Judge not, lest thou be Judged.


Once they have those rights, why stop there? Give them equal rights.
Normalize it. There is nothing wrong with it. They are people too, and citizens in this great nation of ours. Why should they be denied?

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wader wrote:
I have two gay brothers - both in committed relationships for the last 10 to almost 20 years. They own houses with their partners, share all bills, share & make decisions concerning their finances - everything you or I do in a legal marriage. But their status is not recognized.

Both were forced to move out of the state in order to obtain civil unions & gain some of the legal rights that a normal married couple have. Such as the basic right to make decisions concerning medical care should one of them become seriously ill & unable to make the decisions for themselves.
Could you imagine your wife or husband becoming incapacitated & you not able to make choices for them concerning their care? The person you?ve loved & lived with for these many years , shared a history with, planned for the future with, shared all responsibilities & decisions with ? potentially raised a child with is now seriously ill & the state says you have no right to determine their medical care?

Sorry ? we don?t recognize your legal status. Those decisions will have to be made by the ill person?s family.

Who probably have no clue as to what your ?partners? wishes maybe or in all likelihood don?t care!

Why should they be forced ? almost quarantined in the states they currently live in because if they want to live elsewhere other then were they do ? they will lose those rights.

It's like they were forced into exile.

You & I have the option & right to live anywhere we want. They are not afforded that ?luxury?.

Have they become modern day lepers forced into a colony on some island somewhere?

What happened to life, liberty & pursuit of happiness? Is it only for some?

It?s pathetic & wrong!

I use to see my brothers regularly. Now if I see them every few months that?s a lot. I miss them. Why should families be broken apart over distance simply to enjoy the rights we take for granted?

It?s wrong.

I refer to my brothers partners as brother-in-laws.

Because ? that?s what they are???

Wader -

As I said earlier I have no issue with your brother's lifestyles.

As to the rights of the states to make their own rules, that is what this great Republic was all about. The idea was that each state could make its own laws, so long as they did not violate the federal constitution, and people would go and live wherever they wanted. If you didn't like the laws in NY, then move to GA, or vice-versa.

Actions by the courts can sometimes nullify those state rights. Look at the issue of abortion for example. Most people think overturning Roe v Wade would make abortion illegal. The reality is that all it would do would put the decision to allow or not allow abortions back to the states.

Whether you agree with it or not, the rights of the states to make their own rules based upon the will of their population is exactly what this republic was founded on. If someone doesn't like the way a state treats them, then they move, plain & simple.

I'm glad you have a good relationship with your brothers and that they found people to be happy with. I think they should be able to register as domestic partners and have the same rights as "married couples". I just don't think that the institution of "marriage" and what it is supposed to mean should be changed.
 
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