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Well I finally got a chance to separate myself from my xbox and take a ride down to Sheepshead Bay this afternoon. Unlike in years past when you went down to the Bay, there were none of the various fish sellers moving 'product' like Red or Joe Grace, or the crew from the Holiday. Many of the regulars like Jack the Greek, Teddy, old man Lenny, Bobby Car Service and Harry Ostrow the Bays unofficial photographer, would be walking along the various piers and looking at the party boats loaded with customers and fish.

But there is still some of the old crew from the Bay around...and it's amazing who you will bump into.



Harold S. is a long time pin hooker from down the Bay. A really nice fellow who you will see commercially catching fluke during the season. Harold represents the old timers who I grew up working on the boats and pin hooking down the Bay with when I was younger.



Here is a fellow who I know since I was a teenager, cod fishermen extraordinary JOHNNY 'PIZZA'. It's been a long time since I last saw John but he still looks great and ready to fill a few 151 quart coolers full of cod.



I guess many of members here at NOREAST have never seen a sinker delivery being made to one of the bottom boats. Years back I remember Billy Hooks coming by with his old station wagon and his back muffler barely scraping the roadway tar, making his sinker deliveries. As he went down the Bay, dropping off bags of sinkers in old canvas wrapped bags wrapped with wire ties, the car would gradually start to rise up in the rear as he worked from Piers 9 to Pier 1 in the Bay. Later on Vinny Sinkers would be doing the same thing, but with the clear plastic bags like you see here, with the nicest looking sinkers you could find.

Here is a sinker delivery to the Ocean Eagle, and as you can see when you bottom fish every day of the week where Captain Gregg fishes, you can easily burn through a dozen or more bags a week of big sinkers!

First boat in from the mackeral grounds, the Brooklyn...they had a few fish on the boat.



Second boat the Ocean Eagle pulling into the dock.





The Marilyn Jean just tying up at the dock.



The Captain Dave finally coming in from the blackfish grounds.



Here's one boat for sale down the Bay........



As I stated earlier, at this time of the year the Bay would be bustling with the docks and streets packed with fishermen, and people who were looking to buy fish or just watch the boats come in. The Ranger, Tampa, Helen H, Amberjack, Blue Sea, Pilot II and other boats would be selling loads of mackeral, whiting and ling, along with the olden wooden boats also selling sun dials, small flounders and other boxed market fish. Then there might be some guys selling Refrigawear out of truck, or someone else selling fishing rods, reels or knives for a good price.

Then after walking around during the afternoon, some of the regular Bay fishermen would either go into Mike's or down to Dunkin Donuts for a cup of coffee, or stop into the back of Stella Maris. Those were the days.............

Anyway these days, you might have a fellow selling bootleg dvds or other people looking to buy live fish from you as you walk off the boat. But, it was nice day though to bring my daughter down to the Bay with temps approaching 50, and see a few of the party boats and a few old time fishing friends from the past.

This is the one of the many great things I have stated about fishing on the party boats, what ever port you may have reguarly fished out of...the people who you just might bump into, and when your approaching over 30 years of being in the Bay, it's really heart warming to see their smiling faces!

EC NEWELL MAN><

P.s....I was already asked how much for the Navigator...look in the Yellow Sheet, or as someone just recently correctly stated, 'Yellow Pages', aka Boats and Harbor, call the number and ask the owner Mike Chopper the price.

This post edited by EC NEWELL MAN 07:45 AM 12/30/2007
 

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My fault, but I want to say it was very nice to see one of NOREAST members, Ed "Savvy" from the board, as I was taking the picture of the Brooklyn pulling in.

It was nice to meet you Eddie, and hope you have a Happy and Healthy 2008!

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Steve-

It was a pleasure to finally put a face and a handshake behind the "EC Newell Man" posts and threads I've been reading for years. I already knew you were a very knowledgeable fishing guy but I found out today what a true gentleman you are as well.

Hope to see you again in 2008! Have a great year.
 

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Nice pics of the boat pulling in. Too bad I wasn't there, I need some more press, lol. Funny you mention the sinker delivery - they picked up a bag of 8's & 10's this morning before they sailed.

Looked a **** of a lot nicer this afternoon than it did between 4-7AM.
 

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Morning Billy, surprised you were not down there, as well as Geoff, but Gregg sent him home early. Sea conditions were pretty tough in the morning, with the winds honking at over 31 mph. They said our inlet and through the channels the sea was 'frothy' with a unusually strong current running in the early morning. I heard Tommy Weiss of the Captain Al could not make it out of the inlet, and a customer on the mackeral boat got bounced around, and the vessel had to return to the dock and drop him off, then proceed back to the grounds.

Boy if they got a sinker delivery and as you see what they got in the afternoon, that was some load of lead Gregg put on the boat for a week or so of fishing. As you know, when you fish with Captain Gregg you will definitely be on some 'hard bottom'.

Ed 'Savvy', again great to meet you at the dock. I should of took a picture of you with my 'model' daughter who was running all over the Bay, instead of worrying about the batteries in my Canon camera, crapping the bed, since I did not change them before I left the house.

Ps, let me know when your down there Billy because I will take a few shots with you, Gregg, Glenn and Geoff when he is around....and I will put new batteries in my camera too! Happy New Year buddy....

EC NEWELL MAN<>

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HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU TAUTOG1~

It is fishermen like Harold, who are good fishermen and very nice people who give us those great memories from the past. Many fishermen outside of the Bay will never hear of these fine people, yet for those within the fishing community in Sheepshead Bay, they gave it the character, and they taught us those little things to help us catch more fish.

I always make it a point to give thanks to fishermen like Harold who would talk to you, and give you the time to explain things, sometimes many times over. Much of what you see here in the WHEELHOUSE forum are the lessons they passed onto me. I count myself very lucky to know people like Harold, and countless others of the old crew from down the Bay.

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The "Bay"

I remember my first fishing trip to the bay, it was moons ago with some bro's from Crabtree, Mike Y and his cuz Decker on the gulf craft PILOT, toggin. Rollin Roaster, and "fresh fish, fresh, fresh, fresh, check it out, check it out, check it out" fish sellers trying to peddle False Albies in December....There was an older guy there selling 1378 Dexters "wicked" cheap, there was a certain "bustle" to the dock, That has changed now in almost every high volume port, the hawking at captree and freeport slowed....it's sad....really sad.
THE BAY TO ME

"There is much interesting history in Sheepshead Bay. Not many of us who lived there knew about it. For sure, my friends and I weren?t conversing much on Austin Corbin, Leonard Jerome, or William Vanderbilt. My comrades had encyclopedic knowledge of subjects as Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Nets, Jets, Giants, Rangers, Islanders, and layups, double play pivots, stop and go patterns, blocking goals, and the better Diners for those endless conversations to take place.
John Phillip Sousa first performed "Stars and Stripes Forever" in a band shell belonging to the palatial Manhattan Beach Hotel. And football fans, this place was home to Vince Lombardi and Joe Paterno. Many of us Sheepshead Bay High School grads have long known Rico Petrocelli, a member of the ?67 and ?75 AL Champion Red Sox is counted among our alumni. While other communities have their mortal heros, Sheepshead Bay was the first earthly home of Glenda, the good witch.

Testimonies to the area's lasting culinary gifts fly from business signs spread to the furthest reaches of America that declare for their business: Coney Island Hot Dogs, Brooklyn or NY Bagels, NY Subs, and NY style pizza. There?s no better compliment to an area than a business copying someone else?s success, and for us who lived there the memories of satisfied taste buds remain.
Further looks into a far away past reveal cycles that repeat again and again. There?ve been bull markets and depressions. Hurricanes and rebuilding. Gambling and anti-gambling referendums around millionaires? row and red brick working class apartment houses.

If life is a combination of yin and yang, and a dynamic process, then so is the life story of the neighborhood. History repeats itself has been repeated enough through the ages, and is glaringly apparent when charting the ups and downs of Sheepshead Bay."

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Happy New Year to you Steve,

how great it used to be to watch the fleet come in.....what atmosphere.... then the mandatory trip across the street to Mike's Tackle to hang out for a while....what an incredible amount of "talent" that would be there along with the endless supply of blanks to bend, it would be hard to build a dud with the amount of knowledge from the guys assembled there.

MB 1143F...Price 26.99 boy how the times and prices have changed


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Steve, GEoff & I were down there at 4AM hanging out. At 2AM it was blowing SE 33, when he came by to pick me up I told him and that' s when he decided he wasn't going. I heard about the guy on th eMackeral boat who was thrown 10 feeet up and was "Fortunate" to land on the rail and lose a whole bunch of teeth, a foot or 2 in the wrong direction he would have been overboard, scary thought.

I probably won't be down there until the weekend. THos ebags fo sinkers were freaking heavy, ****, lol.
 

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I lived in Brooklyn for 26 yrs. Whats funny to me is at that time and age in early 80s to mid 90s I was so oblivious to fishing and how special the bay was. I was not into fishing at the time but more into going to sheepshead bay with the munchies
to eat roll n roaster or randazzos. A quick walk along the water and then to Pips for some laughs. I wish I was into fishng then, I feel like I kinda missed out :(

What I do remember and to this day it hasnt changed is you cant find a **** parking spot in the area at all. I mean not one spot to park! its impossible. I just went to Lundys a couple of weeks ago, lobster grilled seafood combo and a glass of pinot grigio hit the spot
 

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Slick56 wrote:
I was not into fishing at the time but more into going to sheepshead bay with the munchies

LAMO!!!
I did the same thing growing up near City island. I used to ride my bike there. Age: 12? 13? 14?
Man--I could kick myself in the the butt now knowing what I know what fishing is.


I remember being in elementary school, and fishing with my dad in SHB.
Knot sure what we were fishing for, but I remember lots of fish on the boat.
I also remember my mom going nuts on me because I went and laid down in my bed as soon as we got home.

I must have stunk like crap!

Ahhhh the Bay---
I'm willing to bet some of the reeeealllly old timers know my dad.
His name is Edwin {most called him Bob}, and he's alive and well at 84

He used to fish with a guy named Arthur, who lived near Washington Heights.

Anyway.......
 

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Slick56 wrote:
then to Pips for some laughs.

TEh guy who owned or co-owned it towards the end was on the LAst Comic Standing show last year, Joey Gay. I grew up with him, tha twas his real name on his birth certificate.
 

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My first Nor'east post. Great string here. I remember going out on the Glory some 30 years ago for a $5 kid fare with my buddies from Bath Beach. We also received $3 coupons when the fishing wasn't up to par. From what I remember, it sank some time ago. Also fished with Joey & his dad Herman on the HH and remember slaughtering Whiting in the Winter. Joey H. & I started the fishing club at John Dewey HS back in 1976 and I often stopped as Salvo's tackle on Bay 50th walking home. As far as food, how are the hero's currently at Jimmy's - or is that sold too? Guess I need to take a trip down one day from Jersey.
 

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This is my first post here, just like the last guy. Great read, EC! Not an old timer by any stretch, but I remember going on the Helen H with my dad in the 80's mostly for blues. The excitement along the dock with all the people streaming towards boats which appeared huge to a kid,lol! Watching the mates load bait & chum on the boat. The smells, sounds and feeling of those trips remain with me to this day. Please, keep up the great work, your forum provides an invaluable educational service for those who didn't experience this. Thank you!
 
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