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I'm going on a trip on a boat I won't mention, bringing my wife as well, and was just told I can use Dacron, but no braid? I told the guy that I'm pretty good w/a rod and understand about tangles, but hate to have to use mono. Guy told me, everyone thinks they're good with a rod, and that they're catching mostly haddock and braid doesn't work too well.

Excellent, right?
 

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ctwhitechin, " I am going on a trip on a boat I won't mention"

That is like saying I have a secret I can't hold it back!


Is this trip on Long Island by any chance? I fished out of Montauk last February and I think I was the only one rigged up with braid. Heck they were so old school it was like a "sidewinder" convention!
 

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J, actually my wife is pretty good, she loves to beat on the yellow eye demons, and caught the biggest halibut up in Alaska.

Hairbone, nope, not on Long Island, guy stated we are haddock fishing.


Not CT either, north of there...but we're using braid w/a 40ft topshot...I don't care...

Best is the guy told me, "Yeah, everyone thinks they're a pro with a rod"

Well, I know I'm not the best, but I understand how to fish w/braid, etc etc....I learned from some of the best in the business..give me a break.
 

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Find another boat? Screw that, the kid was a first mate on one of the best east coast party boats for years. Just bring your rod with the braid and a longish top shot and have fun....or don't, **** it's your fare....
 

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Not what I understand...

I was a mono only guy till about 2 years ago...

I completely understand the mentality of braid and its downfalls with jigging; hence the long 100'+ mono topshot I run. Baitfishing is a whole other animal. I like the feel I get by using primarily braid on my bait rod. I only run a 30' - 40' topshot on my bait rig (50' at most)... just enough to get me clear of bottom structure and to keep my braid from taking the brunt of the wear.

Total BS, And can't believe it... I'm with WOT on this one...what if you had never even inquired and just shown up that way??? I can't believe he'd turn down a fare just because you're rigged with braid. He'd be turning away better then half the serious fishermen. And unless you carry a spare spool already rigged with mono, I wouldnt respool just for their convenience. The real problem comes in with the googins that don't use enough weight or patrol their own line's position versus drift or current. I saw you fish on Marc's last charter... you can fish next to me anytime. Mark

PS. I'd have a backup plan in mind though if he decides to be a jerk about it.
 

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well, I'm bringing 4 rods, 2 newells with mono, 2 with braid and a topshot, I'm lucky I have the spare tackle to bring but I know the drill, topshot, drag not socked up tight, reel slow, don't let out too much line, fish with a heavy enough sinker, etc etc.

We'll see how things play out.....I understand it's the captains rules but I'll see what develops when we get up there.
 

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I had some of the best teachers in the business, Richie K, and Al Lindroth to some extent, but I leared from EVERYONE I worked for...if they didn't give me some sort of advantage then I should just move to Nebraska and never fish again.

Yeah I want an advantage and tie my own rigs, fish with good tackle, fish hard, and take all the little "secrets" I've learned to hopefully give me a little edge.
 

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That's funny, I understand the mate's point about haddock and in general I feel the opposite you guys do. I bring 2 rods with me in part because I fish lefty and can't use a righty rental if my rod fails but mostly because I prefer braid for jigging and mono for bait. In 250+ feet of water I don't feel like I get the action or feel on my jig when using stretchy mono. I also feel like I'm more likely to drop fish on bait than jig so I like the forgiving stretch on mono, especially when targeting haddock. Set the hook hard with braid on a haddock and you rip through their soft little mouths.
My mind can be changed though, why do you guys prefer mono over braid for jigging?
 

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I don't care how good you are w/ a rod, if the current is screaming, or a guy hooks a three foot dog on the other side and it gets away from him, you can't stop the inevitible from happening. You were a deckhand, and if you worked enough trips after braid became popular, you know that there may be nightmare tangles that only braid can cause.

Even if you are smart enough to reel up to avoid a tangle( w/ will keep you out of the water for ninety percent of some trips), you can't expect an owner to change his rules because you say you're good. What makes your level of talent high enough to fish w/ braid, but a certain level under you ineligible, right? In-other-words, how would you feel if the rules applied to everyone, except one other guy, who the Captain says is talented enough to break the rule?

It's a tough rule, but it is his boat. I know that I spend $600 a year on cutlass bearings because braid gets on my shafts, and I will be spending $525 per journal( four journals) four times more frequently than if I didn't allow braid on my vessel, as it eats the spray-weld right off the shafts.

If you don't like the rules on a head boat, you either need to get a different vessel, or charter it.

I'm not trying to trivialize your talent or experience, but being who you are, you have heard from too many idiots about how talented they are. And even when you found people to be capable, did you allow them to break any rules they didn't like?

Bring the rods along, and maybe if the crowd is light or conditions favorable, you will be allowed to use it.

Paul
 

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agreed Paul, I always understood capt is boss, and never (well almost never) questioned his judgement. Hence, we'll start w/braid, if I get requested not to use it, out come two newell 338's filled w/mono. No big deal.
 

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Fishfooler,

I don't think anyone is saying they prefer braid over mono for jigging. If you ever jig truly deep water (80 - 100 fathoms) then mono is not even an option. The "topshot" that everyone is referring to is just for abrasion protection. I personally like a 25 to 30 foot mono leader (topshot)on top of my braid, but some people like a little more.
 

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Mark as Paul and others have said the captains word is law on his boat. Wile you may be talented if he's railed and there's a good currentand and there are lots of rental rod specialists on board I dont care how good you are you will get caught up in it. Since you have the 2 setups you are covered either way. Hope you cathcem up:)

As for the Captains other comment that you are cathcing mostly haddock... I'm with you. If you setup correctly, using braid will not result in a lot of popped off fish.
 
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