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I'd like to hear how you guys do it, when you are targeting marlin. Obviously there will be differences in gear/tactics/bait between whites and blues. For whites I usually troll medium naked bally rigged as skip baits. I hold th lines with a rubberband, in case a fish hits before I can drop the bait back. I also dump about 75 feet of line off the rod/reel so that there is no pressure on the line on a drop back. Reels are fished in free spool with the clicker on and the line is held to the boat with the rubberband. On blues we troll, either big plastics, like Murray Bros Light'n glow #2, big Joe Yees, big lock nuts, along witha few jest behind birds.

I look for water above 65 or so degrees for whites and above 70 degrees for blues.
 

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This will be in my new article coming out on another site but figured could put some info here...

When bill fishing we tend to use more of natural bait spread. The spread will consist of 6-12 lines in the water depending on condition and targeted species. We will troll split bill ballyhoo, naked ballyhoo, and also some skirted ballyhoo, which we will troll. The decision on the placement of the rigs and lures chosen are at the discretion of the crew and we normally decide once we get to the grounds and see the condition and where our baits will be swimming to best. On rough days you may need some chin weights rigged under the ballyhoo so they swim somewhat deeper and do not come out of the water. If you decide to split bill the ballyhoo to make it swim you can either rig with or without weight. If you troll ballyhoo behind a lure (skirted ballyhoo) it is not always necessary to use weight. Once the spread is set out all lines must be monitored to make sure they are swimming correctly. There are time when you will need to let some line out, or take some line in to make them swim perfect! One thing to keep in mind is the trolling speed and the way the baits swim. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. If you lures are coming out of the water, and your ballyhoo are not swimming right, try to change the speed of your troll until you are happy with the way everything looks. Sometimes the slower trolling it better when your spread consists of mainly natural baits.

When White Marlin fishing there is a normal tendency to troll smaller ballyhoo and smaller baits. To go along with your smaller baits it is usually normal to fish smaller tackle. This is normally a key to success as the white marlin is quite smaller in size then your average blue. You can normally get away with 30lb test and much smaller reels such as 12s-30s when targeting white, and still handle the tuna that come into the spread and also the occasional blue that may come in as well. With trolling for Blue Marlin you will want to sometimes troll bigger baits and a smaller spread consisting of maybe 6 lines and bigger lures. The tackle for this would be much large than the white marlin. You would be using a minimum of 80lb test and much bigger reels such as 50s-130s. The Blue Marlin tends to like lures that create large splashes and smoke/bubble trails, as this will raise the large blues from the deep. You can also run your same ballyhoo setups for the blue marlin and can mix in some others bait including ribbonfish and mackerel. Keep in mind that big baits are okay as they do feed on larger prey such as small yellow fin tuna and skip jacks. Once again you need to do a lot of trial and error to find out what works for your boat, your crew, and most important is your conditions.

Some boats that strictly billfish are turning on to the bait and switch method, which is an entire spread of teasers being pulled behind the boat and pitch baits ready and waiting. We will troll around with all teasers enticing the marlin to come up to the spread and attack. A keen eye is necessary as you must be able to spot the marlin when it comes up behind the boat in the wake. When marlin come up they will attack they bait by bill slapping and injuring their prey. Once the marlin gets ?hot? on a specific lure you will want to bait the marlin closer to the boat and deploy pitch bait that is normally a ballyhoo or smaller mackerel. The marlin follows the teaser up and when the pitch bait goes into the water they see the bait and will switch to the natural bait and disregard the teaser as you pull it out of the water quickly! At the time the marlin picks up the bait you must continue thru the normal process of hooking up and at that time clear lines and get ready for battle! This is a technique that is best to be left to experiences crews, but the only way to get good is to practice, practice, and practice!

As mike stated all the reels are in free spool as you want no tension on the line what so ever!!! We do not even use clickers since we are watching the spread the entire time..

When the fish comes up and smacks the bait leave it be and drop some line.. When the fish picks up the bait and behind to swim away you want to give it 10-20 seconds! As the fish begins to move fast after the 10-20 seconds push the lever drag or drag up to about 4 lbs.. if the line continues go out try about 6-7 lbs of drag.. once that line continues to go ut after that pressure has been applied it is time to point the tip to the fish and slowly push the drag to strike and begin to reel! This will turn the circle hook into the corner of the mouth.

there is no more jerking the rod 50 times to set a hook.. once the line comes tight and the fish is on then you can lift the tip and start fighting!

This post edited by Sportfishingusa 02:06 PM 04/01/2008
 

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Sportfishingusa wrote:
Once the marlin gets ?hot? on a specific lure you will want to bait the marlin closer to the boat and deploy pitch bait that is normally a ballyhoo or smaller mackerel. The marlin follows the teaser up and when the pitch bait goes into the water they see the bait and will switch to the natural bait and disregard the teaser as you pull it out of the water quickly!

I'd like to have $1 for every time a marlin came up hot on a lure and refused to even look at the pitch bait!
 

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All plastic, all the time, at least in NY for whites. Small jets in the flats, doorknobs, small marlin magics short riggers and green machines, APs and diasy chains long rigger and birds out the back, that's for whites.Blues its Super plungers and soft head wide range flats, medium plungers and big blue bullet short riggers, chopped head green machine, big APs long rigger and the same birds long. Best action by far is live skipjacks bridled Hawaiian style, one on a downrigger 50-75 feet deep and the other 75 feet or so back. One engine in gear and a good bit of dropback, baits under 5 lbs are a treat for bigeye and yellowfin over 100lbs.
Not for nothing sportfishing usa, yer attitude is piss poor.
 

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bucktail wrote:
Best action by far is live skipjacks bridled Hawaiian style, one on a downrigger 50-75 feet deep and the other 75 feet or so back.
One engine in gear and a good bit of dropback, baits under 5 lbs are a treat for bigeye and yellowfin over 100lbs.
Not for nothing sportfishing usa, yer attitude is piss poor.
 

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Sportfishingusa wrote:
It happen to you alot mike?!?

More time than I wold like!
I'll also troll plastic at times. I have a couple of junior sized lock-nuts that work well off the inner riggers and a couple of small doorknobs that also work well. But if I'm tageting ******, I'll usually go with the bait first.
 

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I hear ya...

It is definately something that has to really be ready to go!!

The only thing about it that i like is that sometimes it make it more interesting and they might not take it but might come back since there are no hooks to hurt them and turn them away! Thats why i like it sometimes..

I dont know if you have ever heard of Seatal lures. It was a guy who made them like 2-3 years ago and they were small door knobs lures with a natural ballyhoo head in the resin head and man these catch fish!!

I will see if i got one laying around i can spare and i will mail it up to you! they are the best thing for whites up here in the NE. My number one go to lure ever!!
 

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sfusa: By jumping on everyoe's azz about not giving #s to that guy looking for cod drops off Shinne**** and yer ?! question about Mike missing bites on a pitch bait, just an opinion, don't let it wreck yer day.
 

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Hey buck,

Reread what i wrote dumb dumb.. There is nothing ont here bashing mike. And as far as the numbers for cod give a guy a break.. give him numbers.. who cares... If you dont give him your own spots he will just fish well known spots..

you can get as mad as you want.. i posted my number call me if you got a problem.. do not make assumptions before you send comments back..

Apology to your wife but to you.. please read before you react with your piss poor phonics skills.
 

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I have never targeted billfish in the NE but we catch whites quite often. Most of the whites we catch are on ballyhoo. We had a monster blue come right up to a big jet on the flatline this year, take the lure and almost spool an 80w in less then 3 min before the line broke.
 

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bucktail wrote:
sfusa: Please refrain from
future PMs. My wife opened your profanity laced message, I don't need that kind of ignorant ranting in my home!!!!

Bucktail, just hit the ignore button on SFUSA if he offends you but why on earth would you ever give your wife access to your noreast account? Does she post in your name? Is this her now?
 

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MTKrascal wrote:
I have never targeted billfish in the NE but we catch whites quite often. Most of the whites we catch are on ballyhoo. We had a monster blue come right up to a big jet on the flatline this year, take the lure and almost spool an 80w in less then 3 min before the line broke.

I love when that happens on one of the big guns. Line ripping off the spool with 50 pounds of drag! That gets you adrenalin pumping in a hurry!
 

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You know, it's not what you tow, it's where you go. Welcome to marlin country. In my opinion, way too many people hug the 100 when the whites and blues are just outside it, bunched up along the RIGHT TEMPERATURE AND WATER FOR MARLIN. It always shocks me how many boats go on the hunt for yellowfin during the heat of a hot summer day, when the marlin are cruising just outside, in the warmer bluer water. Personally I will waste my $4+ per gallon on marlin in the mid-day sun when the water is there.
 
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