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help! i've come across a boat that i'm intrested in.Its a 98 maritime skiff 1690 with a mariner outboard. I've heard some negative views about their products. Any insight would be appreciated.
Incedentaly how much would it cost to repower the boat with a 50hp outboard?
 

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Think the Mariner is the work engine produced by Merc.
I think anything is as good as it has been taking care of.
If you are serious, have a mechanic do a complete look over of the engine, and make sure you get a compresson check across the board, and make sure there are maintence records of the engine.
If the boat and motor where properly taken care of by a marina or sort, there should be records of all bills by the seller.
If the owner has done the work himself, he should be able to provide paper work of any parts and maintenece products that he has used on any maintence, such as tune-ups, water pumps, and winterizing materials.
As far as repowering, go around to the different marine places and get prices.
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Like POMF has stated, it is Mercs work/commercial engine. And in my judgement, one step above Force Engines also made by Merc.

However, I may not be giving mariner their fair shake, a guy on my canal has a 115hp on the back of his 19' c/console and come back with a mako on it twice a summer.
 

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mariner = mercury

Mercury/Mariner is really just like Evinrude/Johnson or Chevy/GM/GMC - same thing. Some people like GMC, but won't touch a Chevy. Anyway, sometimes they have made the same engine and labeled it as a Mariner & a Mercury; other times they only labled it as Merc. or Mariner. If there's was a Mariner 115 made that year & a Merc, they are the same engine. It's all marketing. Mariner has a tougher logo to make you think it's a workhorse. My .02.. Mercury/Mariner is OK and everything; with used engines, the #1 objective is to get one that's in good condition, regardless of brand (except Force - another story). I probably would not buy a new merc.. have not been very impressed with them in general, if I buy a new OB, it's probably going to be OMC (Bombardier)... if one dropped in my lap, for the right price, I would certainly pick it up though - pleanty of happy Merc. owners out there.

Anyway, outboards - #1 thing is compression, typical readings depend on exactly what engine (between 100-150).. most important thing is it should be even - no more than 10 difference from highest to lowest. Check the gear lube, it should be clean; milky white = water, black = old/burnt or it got too low, chunks in it - very bad news.. little hairlike splinters on the drain plug magnet is normal & OK. Have him leave it cold and let you start it yourself - do compression check when it's warm. Take it out for a drive, if possible, or at least run it for a while, observe good water flow and be sure it's not overheating or anythig.. check for obvious flaws & excessive corrosion etc.

As for maintenance records.. sorta a plus, but don't make any decision on those.. most maintainence is something that the owner takes care of (ie grease etc..) an occasional tune-up or water pump impeller change is great too, but not usually neccesary. The current condition of the engine is everything, work that has been done, with the exception possibly of a rebuilt power head, does not add value.

As for a 50 HP outboard, are you talking new,used? 4 or 2 stroke & what make.. The prices fluctuate quite a bit w/ the 2, 4 strokes & make. A good deal on a new leftover mercury might be $3500... a not so good deal on a honda 4-stroke might be $6000 - somewhere in between there. A couple things I'd like to add - in this HP range, you can get away with using a 4-stroke without adding much weight. The Johnson 50 is about the lightest at around 180 (2-stroke).. a couple of the 4-strokes are around 250 at the heaviest. The downside is that a 4-stroke won't have quite the same kick and will run you some extra $$. As for used, you could pick up something reliable in that range (ie want adds) for as little as $1000 up to the price of new. Good luck,

Jon
 

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Didn't know that about yamahas

First time I heard that. I knew on some of the really small engines (2.5 HP) that they are all the same, but never knew the merc/yamaha thing.

My problem w/ mercs is that, to me anyway, it seems they are too deep into the parts/service business. The merc's I've had to deal w/ (my personal OB's) seem to have parts intentionally made to break or to make it impractical to fix, built right into them. In addition, they have a website for parts, but actually ship them through the dealer if you order - keep costs high and let everyone make a buck off it.

For instance, the yolks on the bottom of the swivel bracket, are made of regular steel... they corrode, develop slop, and require the power head to be pulled for replacement. Why steel and not aluminum or stainless?... Either would work, as this part is quite thick - only reason I can see is so it will break.

Why chrome the cylinders? Oh.. yes, so that they will be smoother? Bull**** - steel has worked great for years - they chrome cylinders so that you can't bore it up - more blocks or new engines sold..

Why are the needle bearing kits w/ cages (for crank journals) $70 a piece? This way, just in parts, a good rebuild runs a minimum of $420. Sell more engines, make more $$ off of parts etc..

I'm just a hack, but some things w/ the merc's I've had really rub me the wrong way. You can probably find examples of this type of BS w/ any outboard company.. it just seems like merc does it intentionally.

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i'd check out a new 4-stroke, maybe look for a leftover model. are you getting the one posted on the wall at eddie's? i'd ask bill eaton if you could get away with a 40HP 4-stroke. you could save money and weight (for example, the yammie F50 weighs 233#, the F40 181#).
 

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You are going to find good and bad reports about every kind of engine!! I have had a mariner for 5 years and have used it about 125 times a year!! i have yet to break down or have a problem!!!(knock on wood)
 
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