I am looking to pick up a new rod to use mostly for tog and maybe blues(inshore). I want a conventional, and 6' is prefered, using the approriate weight.I was looking at the rogue SW665C or SW666C(was wondering if the SW666C would be to heavy.I was given a Star Aerial EX7040 30-50lb.,but that seems to heavy for what I want to use it for.Thanks for your advice.
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Lep stick
Search the site for " Lep Stick". I got one of the old ones @ $14.99 and one of the newer IM 6 /Fuji guides @ $19.99. Both are good rods at a very good price. You will be surprised. If you do not like them ,they are inexpensive enough to be "loaner rods".
Search the site for " Lep Stick". I got one of the old ones @ $14.99 and one of the newer IM 6 /Fuji guides @ $19.99. Both are good rods at a very good price. You will be surprised. If you do not like them ,they are inexpensive enough to be "loaner rods".
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I looked at those new Rogue rods at the Suffern show and liked them all very much. Really crisp actions.
Both the 665 and the 666 are excellent rods for this area and I would have a hard time choosing one over the other.
I would need both!!!
The 665 would be excellent for inshore Tog and clam-belling bass and the 666 would be super for deeper water blackfish.
What I do not care for in a rod of this price range is that the guides are single wrapped with no underwrap.
Maybe I would forget both of them and buy 10 Lep Sticks for each of the Rogues! ! !
rgds, Leprechaun
Both the 665 and the 666 are excellent rods for this area and I would have a hard time choosing one over the other.
I would need both!!!
The 665 would be excellent for inshore Tog and clam-belling bass and the 666 would be super for deeper water blackfish.
What I do not care for in a rod of this price range is that the guides are single wrapped with no underwrap.
Maybe I would forget both of them and buy 10 Lep Sticks for each of the Rogues! ! !
rgds, Leprechaun
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Between SW665C and SW666C, I recommend SW665C. The line WT(15-30) is perfect for inshore tog and bluefish. I've used a Gloomis rod with same line WT for many years for togging and light jigging for cod in shallow water.
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This is pretty funny if you think about it . . . "Lep Sticks."
I wonder what they think over at BPS with such a sudden upturn in Muskie Rod sales to Long Island?
Or is it even a blip on their radar?
Jets28 - Here's the link:
BPS Muskie Rod, aka "Lep Stick"
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I wonder what they think over at BPS with such a sudden upturn in Muskie Rod sales to Long Island?
Or is it even a blip on their radar?
Jets28 - Here's the link:
BPS Muskie Rod, aka "Lep Stick"
rgds, Leprechaun
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2 pc.
I needed a 2 pc. rod for blackfish and got a Versitex...had never heard of it, but got it and am very happy with it.
I have the 6' model, there is a 7ft. also. 2 pc., fiberglass. Cost about $40. Check it out.
Also, I have a question, for blackfish I've ben told that graphite rod is not really appropriate or the best thing to buy because they may crack or break in winter...any truth in that?
mudman
I needed a 2 pc. rod for blackfish and got a Versitex...had never heard of it, but got it and am very happy with it.
I have the 6' model, there is a 7ft. also. 2 pc., fiberglass. Cost about $40. Check it out.
Also, I have a question, for blackfish I've ben told that graphite rod is not really appropriate or the best thing to buy because they may crack or break in winter...any truth in that?
mudman
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Some guys report problems - I only use graphite for that app and do it with no-stretch braided line and have never ever had a issue. (In fact I can't remember the last time I fished with a glass rod for anything for that matter).
Its all in how you use your weapons. If you gorilla the tackle - you'd best buy glass. But if you can learn to set your hook with a quick 6" flip of the wrist you will not have a problem. That also goes for holding the rod over your head with the butt pointing straight up and the tip bent over 180-degrees when wrestling big tog out of structure - this is an invitation to disaster.
Think of it like owning a high-perf Porche. Would you constantly slam it around turns at 80mph and beat it to death at every stoplight? Or would you appreciate the finer qualities of a such a well-engineered performance automobile and drive it with firmness, utilizing the increased performance correctly? Because if you beat a car of that caliber, I promise you will be on a first-name basis with a very expensive dealership's service manager.
Same deal with high-end graphite rods. Beat them up and you will never get the performance you paid for. Only disappointment. But use them to their potential, with an appreciation for what they are and they will last indefinitely, giving you a feel for the fishies like no glass rod ever could.
That's my thinking, anyway.
rgds, Leprechaun
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Its all in how you use your weapons. If you gorilla the tackle - you'd best buy glass. But if you can learn to set your hook with a quick 6" flip of the wrist you will not have a problem. That also goes for holding the rod over your head with the butt pointing straight up and the tip bent over 180-degrees when wrestling big tog out of structure - this is an invitation to disaster.
Think of it like owning a high-perf Porche. Would you constantly slam it around turns at 80mph and beat it to death at every stoplight? Or would you appreciate the finer qualities of a such a well-engineered performance automobile and drive it with firmness, utilizing the increased performance correctly? Because if you beat a car of that caliber, I promise you will be on a first-name basis with a very expensive dealership's service manager.
Same deal with high-end graphite rods. Beat them up and you will never get the performance you paid for. Only disappointment. But use them to their potential, with an appreciation for what they are and they will last indefinitely, giving you a feel for the fishies like no glass rod ever could.
That's my thinking, anyway.
rgds, Leprechaun
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Oh wait - I see you asked about graphite's appropriateness for cold weather use.
No problems there either and I've gone out to 17 many times under conditions that required me to chip the rods out of the rocket launcher. Last Jan - it was SOO freakin' cold and rough a few times that by the time we got down there the rods were frozen solid into the holders and the blanks and guides has a half-inch of salt-spray ice cemented to them.
No issues with a custom Cape Fear, custom St. Croix, a few Lep Sticks and a factory St. Croix.
All graphite rods.
Slayed the hog tog those days too.
But that's after I had go up on the bow and physically yank 400' of frozen anchor line though the locked-up windlass and put a layer of rock salt on the deck so we wouldn't ice skate right over the gun'nels.
Hear that Billy40? Just like you have to do on those tough-to-fish-off head boats.
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No problems there either and I've gone out to 17 many times under conditions that required me to chip the rods out of the rocket launcher. Last Jan - it was SOO freakin' cold and rough a few times that by the time we got down there the rods were frozen solid into the holders and the blanks and guides has a half-inch of salt-spray ice cemented to them.
No issues with a custom Cape Fear, custom St. Croix, a few Lep Sticks and a factory St. Croix.
All graphite rods.
Slayed the hog tog those days too.
But that's after I had go up on the bow and physically yank 400' of frozen anchor line though the locked-up windlass and put a layer of rock salt on the deck so we wouldn't ice skate right over the gun'nels.
Hear that Billy40? Just like you have to do on those tough-to-fish-off head boats.
rgds, Leprechaun
Al Goldberg said right.
"Fish doesn't break a rod, fisherman does."
If you know how to handle a rod, I don't see any problem to use a graphite. I've used a grahite rod for blackfish for a long time. Many fishermen don't like to use graphite rod for blackfishing. From my personal experience, my timing of setting hook is more suitable to a graphite rod( I have half dozen of custom blackfish rod with non-graphite blanks).
"Fish doesn't break a rod, fisherman does."
If you know how to handle a rod, I don't see any problem to use a graphite. I've used a grahite rod for blackfish for a long time. Many fishermen don't like to use graphite rod for blackfishing. From my personal experience, my timing of setting hook is more suitable to a graphite rod( I have half dozen of custom blackfish rod with non-graphite blanks).
Mudman,
No fish has frustrated me more than blackfish. It is easier for me to blame my rod for not catching blackfish. I know it is not rod but my poor skill.
However I feel my hookup ratio has increased since I switched to a graphite rod. Many sharpies I know just don't like the stiff feel of the graphite rod. But I can take advantage of the stiffness and sensitivity of the rod. When blackfishing, I love to move my bait around. It is believed generally that blackfish are not fond of moving baits. The water is real cold, it is true. But blackfish are more active to hunt for food than we think. i eyewitnessed a commercial blackfisherman in New Bedford, MA catching over one hundred pound of blackfish a day in short period time by jigging. When you move your bait, blackfish becomes more aggressive. Somethime you don't get any signal but a jolt. In that case you have to respond immediately and the stiff rod like a graphite is more suitable to that purposes. Also it is easier for me to set a hook by lifting my rod sharply while simultaneously cranking the reel when using a graphire rod. But it is my subjecive opinion. The other advantage of a graphite rod is the sensitivity. It enables me to detect wether it is a smaller blackfish signaling their interest by pecking at the bait or bergall playing around the bait.
No fish has frustrated me more than blackfish. It is easier for me to blame my rod for not catching blackfish. I know it is not rod but my poor skill.
However I feel my hookup ratio has increased since I switched to a graphite rod. Many sharpies I know just don't like the stiff feel of the graphite rod. But I can take advantage of the stiffness and sensitivity of the rod. When blackfishing, I love to move my bait around. It is believed generally that blackfish are not fond of moving baits. The water is real cold, it is true. But blackfish are more active to hunt for food than we think. i eyewitnessed a commercial blackfisherman in New Bedford, MA catching over one hundred pound of blackfish a day in short period time by jigging. When you move your bait, blackfish becomes more aggressive. Somethime you don't get any signal but a jolt. In that case you have to respond immediately and the stiff rod like a graphite is more suitable to that purposes. Also it is easier for me to set a hook by lifting my rod sharply while simultaneously cranking the reel when using a graphire rod. But it is my subjecive opinion. The other advantage of a graphite rod is the sensitivity. It enables me to detect wether it is a smaller blackfish signaling their interest by pecking at the bait or bergall playing around the bait.
Kilsong, thanks for your reply, I found it very interesting.
I would consider myself just "average" when going for blackfish, but I absolutely love going for them. It is the most frustrating, yet most fun, going for blackfish.
I hardly ever move my bait, and then when I get that first tap on my bait I turn into a statue until I get that "tug". I too starting reeling as I am picking my rod up (at least I think I am)..I'll have to check out somebody else's graphite rod and see how it looks and feels...
mudman
I would consider myself just "average" when going for blackfish, but I absolutely love going for them. It is the most frustrating, yet most fun, going for blackfish.
I hardly ever move my bait, and then when I get that first tap on my bait I turn into a statue until I get that "tug". I too starting reeling as I am picking my rod up (at least I think I am)..I'll have to check out somebody else's graphite rod and see how it looks and feels...
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Fished 17 fathoms last Dec and found if you waited for the tug you lost your bait. Big fat tog were hitting just like bergals. started catching when I started swinging at the first taps. **** tog just when you think you figured it out, they fool you again. Now thats fishing, Got to love em!!
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Yes, that's correct. Last Fall was very tough at 17 - the fish were hitting super light and the weather was just miserable. They were most certainly there, but for a few of my trips down there it was tough tough pickins.
We talked about this light-hitting thing at great length on the "Pros" board last Dec/Jan. There was a very interesting thread started by ECNM I believe that addressed this very subject.
A quick search using "17" in the search engine on that board ought to turn it up.
rgds, Leprechaun
We talked about this light-hitting thing at great length on the "Pros" board last Dec/Jan. There was a very interesting thread started by ECNM I believe that addressed this very subject.
A quick search using "17" in the search engine on that board ought to turn it up.
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Hear that Billy40? Just like you have to do on those tough-to-fish-off head boats
I just caught this - LOL!! Uh, that's why the mates get a $5 tip.
Do you guys using all graphite notice that much of a difference between composites and graphites? Last year I was close to getting a GUSA for myself (before I bought a 1143F & a GF800L). I think on a private boat the GRaphites are fine if you know what you are doing, but on a croded Party boat where it will get tossed around, hit by other morons setting the hook, swinging 8# fish up over the side - it's not teh best thing to use.
THere are some GUSA rods which look to fit teh bill on paper, would like to geta free sample from GUSA if possible. You think they'll oblige? Me niether.
I just caught this - LOL!! Uh, that's why the mates get a $5 tip.
Do you guys using all graphite notice that much of a difference between composites and graphites? Last year I was close to getting a GUSA for myself (before I bought a 1143F & a GF800L). I think on a private boat the GRaphites are fine if you know what you are doing, but on a croded Party boat where it will get tossed around, hit by other morons setting the hook, swinging 8# fish up over the side - it's not teh best thing to use.
THere are some GUSA rods which look to fit teh bill on paper, would like to geta free sample from GUSA if possible. You think they'll oblige? Me niether.
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need to find the right reel
i just bought a new 9,6 lamiglas rod yesterday and i was wondering what size mitchel nautil reel i should get for it, or should i get that reel at all. i herd some good things about that reel because it has a waterproof system but im not sure about the quaility.
i just bought a new 9,6 lamiglas rod yesterday and i was wondering what size mitchel nautil reel i should get for it, or should i get that reel at all. i herd some good things about that reel because it has a waterproof system but im not sure about the quaility.
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"but on a croded Party boat . . .
Do you mean "On a corroded Party Boat?"
Oh wait, I see, never mind.
LOLOL.
I agree with all you other comments.
rgds, Leprechaun
Do you mean "On a corroded Party Boat?"
Oh wait, I see, never mind.
LOLOL.
I agree with all you other comments.
rgds, Leprechaun
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