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Are you joking ?
HungryJack, all due respect, but you aren't always correct and there is no reason to continue to attack each and every one of us as if we are idiots. And no, I wasn't joking.
For starters, just because you can find something posted on the internet, doesn't mean that it it's the absolute 100% one and only truth.
You stated;
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The report is not a college paper written in a dorm room either.
HOWEVER, you specifically quoted and posted a link to an article on the internet that was written by Paul Kapsch, Matt Landi, and Sarah Schwartz on March 22, 1999 as part of their participation in the University of Vermont's
Vermont Legislative Research Shop.
Sorry HungryJack, but this time it is
YOU who are wrong. Who do you think the "Vermont Legislative Research Shop" is?????
Are they some well-funded scientific research team with phd's and other advanced degrees from well respected educational institutions????
Are they well-respected investigative journalists who've dedicated their lives towards researching & writing about environmental issues??
Are they some other highly-educated, unbiased scientific group that is dedicated towards providing the public with untainted scientific data???
NO!
NO!!
NO!!!
For your information (and despite how you've already stated that I am wrong) the Vermont Legislative Research Shop who wrote that article was indeed nothing more than a bunch of 18 or 19 year-old college students.
But since you never take any else's word for it, especially when they oppose what you write, I'll let you read it for yourself;
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The UVM Vermont Legislative Research Shop is a supervised group of students pooled together with the resources of UVM for the purpose of supplying information and conducting research for the Vermont State Legislature. This service is the culmination of a collaborative project between Senator Matt Dunne (D Windsor) and Professor Anthony Gierzynski of the UVM Political Science Department.
Vermont Legislative Research Shop
So as you can see, you've quoted an article written by Paul Kapsch, Matt Landi, and Sarah Schwartz, who were all college students in 1999 who were asked to write an article for Senator Matt Dunne (D Windsor), who, by the way, is a HUGE PETA supporter!!!!!!
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More nonsense from Doc
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Sorry HJ,
I don't give much credibility to a paper that was written by three college students. -Especially when they cite PETA websites and PETA influenced data as their sources.
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[/B]Please point out where Peta websites are cited in that report ???
You can't, because there are NONE, just a figment of your imagination.
Please point out where this data is "Pete influenced" as well.
Again, you can't. [/B]
This one is too easy to answer.
For starters, their first two primary sources are papers written by
MARK POKRAS director of the wildlife clinic for Tufts University School of Veterinarian Medicine and one of the most active PETA supporters IN THE COUNTRY!
But don't take my word for it. Do your own research on Mark Pokras and you'll discover that very often when PETA needs scientific fact to back one of their campaigns, they turn to Mark Pokras and he somehow coincidentally writes an article to support PETA's political agenda.
Here, take a look at these websites. Scroll down and you'll see his name al over the place taking a stand that backs PETA.
www.animalliberationfront.com
www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com
www.animalrightsnews.info
There are many other articles in both print and on the web where this guy has knocked fishing & hunting and labeled us as public enemy number one to wildlife.
I don't have the time to go down the list, but there at least four or five other PETA sources that these college students quoted as their reference material.
One thing we do agree upon is that lead does indeed cause harm to waterfowl. I'm not disputing that fact. What I don't see is the scientific proof is how banning the retail sale of fishing split shots BUCKTAILS, LEAD HEADS, etc... is going to help save waterfowl. If you told me that the law was to ban their use in freshwater bodies of water then I would understand. But this law is all about politics with very little true scientific NEW YORK STATE SPECIFIC data to back it up.
Show us the numbers. Prove to us that there is NON-PETA influenced research and data out there that proves that my tackle shop will be saving the lives of waterfowl if when they stop selling me my favorite 1/4 ounce & 3/8 ounce bucktails!
And HungryJack, for once, instead of bashing me and every other member here who tries to voice an opinion, why not try directing some of that energy towards our true enemies such as PETA and their strong political machine. As quick and easy as it was for you to pull a PETA-influenced article from the archives for the sole purpose of bashing my opinions, you could have just as easily pulled a sportsman-influenced article to support the income of your local tackle shops.
It's times like these when I question who's side you are really on.
Are you with us or are you against us?
It's okay to be the voice of reason every once in a while but to be on a crusade to put down your fellow anglers every chance you get...
And to never admit you are wrong...
ever...
Can you do anything on this site other than attack its members and everything they write?
Why can?t you ever take our side?
If you find it impossible to agree with us then at least do us the favor and refrain from quoting PETA-based articles to discredit what we write. We all know that PETA and its supporters disagree with our opinions. We don?t need you to remind us of how PETA can take the truth and leverage it in their favor.
And if anyone else has any doubt whether or not PETA is our enemy, just visit the FISHING HURTS website and see for yourself;
www.FISHINGHURTS.COM
