So much interest in this topic, I kinda suspected as much.
Billy - I don't quite see how I "proved your point," because my example clearly showed that color counts. So in some convoluted way I guess we agree. Fancy that. I suppose stranger things have happened . .
Fishing Friend - You can certainly fish any of the three ways you mentioned. I tend to fish my rods out of the boat's rodholders as I described in the B/S Rig post I linked to back on the previous page. Check it out. That's not to say that regular jigging doesn't work, 'cause sometimes it outfishes the dead-sticked poles - which have to depend on the boat's rise and fall/roll to work the lure(s). But day-in, day-out I dead-stick till I see a hit. I find it that for me it will produce not only the most fish, but the largest fish of the day as well. Maybe the biggies are too lazy to come to a fast-ish worked lure, I'm not really sure. But the dead-stick thing certainly has taken its share of out-sized flukies for me, that IS for sure.
So anyway, if the silly fish misses the bait on the dead stick, I give him another crack at it because its at that point that I carefully pick up the rod and work the lure with some 3-6" twitches. Maybe with a slight drop back as well. I like to twitch when I see some interest. And sometimes its not only the rod . .
Read that linked thread thru and do a search on "B/S Rig." Its illuminating stuff.
TM - is 100% right - there are times that the fish want a teaser with VERY short hair on it. This happens often enough that I also carry a bunch of teasers cut VERY short - like right to the turn of the hook, and those can be deadly as well. I'm partial to the ones tied with "Fishair" and "Flashabou" in pearl white and chartreuse for this application. But I have to admit, I rarely go with the short-cut stuff unless I'm strikin' out with the regular-length flies. In fact if you refer back a page to the two Porgy imitators you will see that the lower one has been trimmed just a wee bit, by me, after Tom was out of sight. Its like altering a portrait painter's work, not cool to do in front of him, IMO.
In my fluke box is an plastic envelope with a bunch of short-tied commercially-available teasers. I forget who makes them, but its a famously known company, "Do-it" or "Jig-it" or maybe its the original Silver Bullet people, I just can't remember. In fact you can buy from most good B&T shops complete rigs, with a bullet lure on the bottom and a short-haired teaser tied above it. Same company that makes those rigs sells the teasers separately. These short-haired flies were pretty much all we used on the Lep years ago when they first came out. And we always did pretty well. Then we went into 1/4oz bucktails of various colors - hand tied at home of course. I always felt those caught even better than the unweighed fly teasers, because of the way they hung down from the rig over the bullet and bounced up and down enticingly when I dead-sticked with some scope on the rod.
Now the past two years I've gone back to fly teasers, Tom's "Reelteasers" in fact - the ones I've illustrated here most of all and this has "Kicked it up" yet another notch, to borrow a famous Chef's line. That's really the point of me doing this thread, to graphically show what I've
found to be the BEST day in/day out, when fished as I do, on the B/S rig. This doesn't mean that you have to be parochial in your approach to this. Most certainly you can try all sorts of stuff on that rig - plastics, Red Gills, heck you can even try 7" schoolbus-colored Bomber A-Salts
, whatever. Just post back with your findings so that we all can benefit from your findings and discoveries. That IS the whole point of this board, when ya think about it.
squid711 - go to "Reelteaser's" post one page back and P.M. him right from that post.
HappyC - I've had the same problem with the small Spros. That's what got me wrapping my own 1/4 and 3/8oz bucktails. I looked for the round head and Smilin' Bill naked heads with a tinned O'shaunessy hook in it, the hook with the flat wire - I think those are about the strongest you can easily find in our local shops. If you want to tie some up yourself - I get mine from Causeway here in Wantagh and from Terminal tackle in Northport, when I get out there. Those shops also stock the "Fishair" and "Flashabou" that works so well. Trythe pearl white and the light blue, those seem to be the best producers here off Jones.
And on the subject of strong hooks - go back to those Porgy flies and take a gander at the hooks they're tied on. Forged stainless steel O'Shaunesseys, Gamis I think. Ain't no fluke gonna bend out those hooks. That's a fact. Gonna have to be a halibut-sized fish to stress that quality of hook. Reminds me of an old quote - Robert Shaw/Capt. Quint: "Taxidemy man gonna have a heart attack when he sees what I brung 'em."
It would have to be a BIIIG-ass fluke to hurt those hooks..
As far as strip-baits or porkrind, I've repeatedly tried that stuff and found that I spent alot of time clearing it off fouled hooks. This issue got much worse when actively jigging the lures. I WILL many times put a small 1.5-2" strip of THIN squid on my fly or bucktail WITH a spearing to kinda slow down the flipping around, but I never put the strip alone anymore, fouls too easily for me. Needless to say I LOVE porkrind on bass bucktails, but that's ANOTHER thread altogether.
Paulie - try taking the hook off your Bullet or fishing a plain old unpainted sinker under your fly, it work REALLY well either way.
Saavy - Yep, good to hear independant confirmation of my findings - I LOVE that orange fly for that earliest fluke run. And I got your P.M., dude. It would be my pleasure.
GT - Tom wrote here that he's got a good imitation of the Mantis for us to see at Freeport - I NEED those!!!
Truth is, we had a season about 5 years ago that brown or black teasers and 1/4" oz bucktails absolutely KILLED the fluke every single trip. It was just stooopid fishing off the Jones Needle/Amphitheater in 25-50'. Drop down the rig with the dark lure and BANGO - not a moment's hesitation on many trips. Many times they were on the lure before we got the rod into the rodholder - I'm talking regularly catching maybe 60-90 fish a tide. Many good ones too, to 7lbs. Those were a handful on the ultra-light rods we used at the time. It was sick. And so of course it naturally follows that I busted my keister making up about 25 of those lures. I was all set for the next season's fluke slaying.
Never had anything remotely resembling that kind of action on the brown and black ones again. Oh they caught fish fairly regularly, but not like that season years ago. I can only conclude that there was a large amount of dark shrimp or small dark baitfish of some sort in the ocean off the beaches that Summer. And of course I'm patiently waiting for a repeat of that circumstance, whatever it was. It generated just phenomenal fishing.
(This post edited by Leprechaun on 02/17/2005)