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I'll start it off - past two weekends off Jones/Tobay/Gilgo. Lots of boats, lots of bunker, lots of fish. Its about time, after we on the mid-South Shore had to eat our hearts out reading about the phenominal fishing in Jamaica Bay this season.

Now we get our shot.

Its now or never for that fat 50.

best, Lep

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Very nice Pete! I ran down there yesterday(solo).All the bunker you wanted,about 100 boats and all I saw was 1 fish netted.Didn't seem like there were fish under them.I only stayed until 11,headed back in.Bet the bite started at 11:10,LOL.
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The Jamaica Bay bass bite was pretty awesome this year again. Too bad the HOT weather caught up to us sooner rather than later and ran the bass off to the east...

But at least you boys out that way are doing a number on them now. Enjoy the hunt...We did!

This fish was my personal best @ 32 lbs. but we caught so many 20+ fish, we couldn't even keep count.
 

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Com'on guys!!! No more pix and no give and take discussions on tackle & techniques?

Well, another day, another pic!

The big fishies be bitin'!!!

Lep

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No pics to post but I have been out on the schools once and had 3 fish all around 25lbs. It seems to be a morning thing because the few time I went out after work was a waste of a drive really. All fish were caught on a snagged bunker. Tried heads lives and whole deads on the bottom but came up empty. Lep how did you catch your fish?
 

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Here you go Pete:

Although I got a very late start this year most of our spring bassing is in the back of Jamaica Bay. When fishing back there we primarily net our bunker and then either fish them live or chunks depending on the mood of the bass.

While I like that kind of fishing my personal favorite is fishing the bunker schools in the ocean (when they pass through) and the sound with a spinning rod and bunker snag. Although we'll drift livies or chunks around those fish as well, to me, I like throwing a weighted treble, snagging a livie and then hitting the lever on my Shimano Baitrunner. He starts doing his little dance out there and I just wait to hear that reel scream!!Sometimes it's quick, sometimes you wait, but once they zero in on him wiggling with that treble hook in him, BAM!

Here's one we got last Friday night up at the head of Hempstead Harbor.
 

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As the weather heats up and the Bunker Schools move off we still have pretty good luck fishing in the deeper water of the NY Bight. Only issue we have there is the weight we sometimes us in 70' of water gets a little ridiculous.

We made a run last week to NJ for only 1 fish but on the way back we made a quick stop on one of our spots and threw a couple of livies down to the bottom on fishfinder rigs. 1st drift, double header!
 

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Eddie - Now THAT'S a nice picture. That's right around the size we've been seeing here to the East. Fat, clean, beautiful fish. And their fillets do go so nice with Teriyaki on the hot griddle or B-B-Q!!!

Bucktailed - we've been doing our fishing in the early morning, but I have heard of some very good fishing after 4PM, both east and west of JI.

As far as method, first, I like a 3-hook snatch rig made up out of 100lb mono, each hook fastened to it with a loop of the leader and a crimp. Then I black electrical tape each hook shank back to the main leader - with some tight wrapping. Now those hook are pulling in a direct line. On the top goes a 150lb Crane swivel and on the bottom a #56 Duo-lock snap. The snap gets a big 5/0-7/0 weighted treble when snagging in less than 30' of water. Deeper than that I like a 4-6 oz bank sinker on that bottom snap. Of course every single barb on the rig is hand-honed needle sharp and that honing is then covered with black permanent marker to slow down rusting. This rig catches well. Not as well as a cast net of course, but pretty well for what it is.

I fish it on a very stout 7' Star glass spinning rod with a classic Penn 550 on it, filled with 30lb Big Game. Works well. Very efficient. I think I'll be switching to 50lb braid or 30lb Fireline shortly, only because those lines transmit more of my snagging swing into forward hook-driving energy.

For the actual fishing I am absolutely in lust with my new AVET MXJ reels. Prior to this season I had been using Shimano Tekota 500s for this application, and they were pretty darn good. But the AVETs are so much easier to use, with their set-able lever drags that there is really no contest. Just ri-dock-u-lous for this type of fishing. I owe my buddy CaptXXX for showing me the light here.

On the reels I've been trying out PowerPro 50lb braid in hot yellow. So much talk on this board that the 50lb size of PP is free from the notorious "mystery breakoffs" - and so far its lived up to my expectations.

Funny thing though, I bought two 125yd spools of it, one for each reel. One spool was perfect - couldn't tell the difference between it and Sufix or Stren Superbraid. The other spool has about 6 areas of lumpiness to it - but when I picked at them I found that they were not joinings. Rather, they appeared to be spots where excess stray Spectra fibers got caught in the braiding process and got sucked into the weaving. Not really acceptable to me, but like I say, I picked most of it out of and off of the line - and so far no strange unexplained breakoffs. Seeing that sort of thing doesn't exactly inspire confidence though . . . When will PP ever learn?

I like 10' of 50lb pink Ande as a shock leader and a 150lb Crane snap-swivel on its far end. To the swivel I put various sized trolling weights - in the 3/4 to 3oz sizes, depending on conditions and the voracity of the yellow-eyed demons. Gotta get those baits deep, below the bluefish and down in the area the the better bass like to browse.

As far as hooks go - this tends to create some lively discussion - but I prefer to use 3/0 3x-strong Mustad trebles - on 20" long 50lb leaders. Pointless to even begin comparing the hook-up ratio of these to either "J" or circle hooks - as it approaches 100%. That's the good news.

The bad news is that these hooks will absolutely, positively kill a fish which is gut-hooked. You are not retrieving it from deep inside a bass, period.

So what to do? I suggest that you do as I do and use the trebles early, get the fish (or two) that you intend to keep, then switch over to 9/0 Circles - and hook the bunker either behind the dorsal or just above the anal fin. This way the hook will most likely end up fair in the fish's mouth and can be removed from the fish relatively easily.

As far as rods go, I bring my Calstar 700L and 700M sticks and both work very well. In truth, I believe the rod is probably the least important part of this fishing - any good stout rod will work - something along the lines of a Lami BL7030, St. Croix PM66MHF/70MHF or any of the beefier Loomis Bucaras would be perfect.

A terrific alternative would be a Capt. Neil-built Long Islander in the MH power - good stuff from a good man.

Scott - those are great pix and who's the handsome young man? Yours or Big Joe's? Don't forget to feel him out about what I suggested to you this weekend.

best, Lep





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My best ever...

Caught in Jamaice bay, first week of June. Somewhere around 38 pounds. Released in great shape to get bigger and make more stripers.

AS far as tackle stuff. I found that for snagging bunker, 30 # tuf line xp was awesome. No stretch makes you a more efficient snagging machine, the lines sensitivity really makes it easy to tell when your snag is among the bunker and best of all, no wind knots. I tied on a short shock leader of 40# flouro to the braid for a little stretch.

I fished my bunker on 8/o gami octos tied to 50 pound flouro leader on a 3x3 rig with a 3 or 4 oz lead. It was interesting that even tough they were dragging around that kind of lead the bunker would every now and then come to the surface in an attemp to get away from the bass and blues down below. Unfortunately for them, it didn't work
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I found by hooking the bunker near the anal fin, I deep hooked fewer bass.

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Leprechaun wrote:

Scott - those are great pix and who's the handsome young man? Yours or Big Joe's? Don't forget to feel him out about what I suggested to you this weekend.

best, Lep

Pete - That's Joe Jr, or as my daughter likes to call him "the boy".


On the Rod end of bunker dunking I typically use my Trevala rods. I still love them for just about everything. Light & sensitive but if I get into a big fish I'm not going to lose it. Reels are either my Torium 20 or 30 (very helpful when fishing Ambrose later in the summer) or my Tekota 500. Everything loaded with 50lb green or yellow power pro.

We generally use circle hooks because we typically find enough fish to get what we're taking even if we lose one and as long as we let them run with the baits, we rarely miss them. One other thing we use is Yo-zuri Pink Flouro. not cheap, but great stuff and side by side with Pink Ande we have seen a difference.

BTW - I spoke with Joe and he's ready when you are.

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Pete - We're probably splitting hairs here but the two hook dropper rig with free swinging trebles will outfish a fixed hook rig. They self align with the bait and the direction of the pull/swing and work really well. In any case if the bait is thick, as it has been, than it likely doesn't matter.

Also, for snagging conventional casting tackle is the best way to go (for those who are proficient at casting). It will allow you to feel the line as it sinks for the tell tale bumps of the line sinking through the school. Then, and only then do you swing away (unless you hit bottom). Once hooked up, conventional will get them to the boat fast and easy.

Best advice would be to obtain your bait prior to reaching the grounds, as possible. So many times I show up, slip a bait in the water, and hook up while others are still engaged in snagging activities. Gotta love it ..........
 

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Cast net certainly the best when the bunkers are thick, as we've been blessed with the couple of years.

When times are lean and the schools are small and spooky you need to be prepared to swing away ....

Thinking back to the tape rig Pete mentioned, way back wken we would actually snell each treble in line, same effect.
 

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Yep, I used to snell them to the main leader. Too much tying for me. Just need my crimping pliers and a little piece of electrical tape, done my way. Both styles would be fine though. So many ways to skin a cat.

I also agree with Paul about conventional tackle being prefered for snagging. But I've got a smokin' stiff spinnin' rig that works well for this and so that's what I personally use.

Besides, what the heck else would I use my old school Penn 550 for if not this? Its taken some nice "bonus bass" to 29lbs while snagging, so its already tried and true. That's probably my favorite surprise while doing this fishing - reeling a snagged bait to the boat and having a nice fish inhale it and go in the other direction. Pretty cool on a 35 year old spinning reel.

best, Lep
 

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Paul - what do you think of the AVETs for this fishing?

Great stuff, no?

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I agree with Lep!

There is nothing like seeing your bunker get inhaled. The gills flare and the bunker is gone.

I'm a North Shore guy, so most of my fishing has been done around Rye so far (which appears to be just about over now). Two weeks ago tomorrow, I ran from Northport to Rye, snagging 6 nice baits in Huntington Bay. Got to the area and saw nothing. No bait, no readings, no one hooked up. I set the boat on a drift where we had fish the night before. With in 5 minutes, both baits get hit. I grabbed one, my sister grabbed the other, and it was on. My sister got hers to the boat first which was neeted by my nephew. It was weighed the next day at 32lbs. Her personal best. Mine was just over 30. My fish was gutt hooked, so I reached down to grab the hook and got a bonus, my bunker was still alive (no happy, but alive). I re hooked it and set it back out and 2 minutes later, it got eaten again, the life of a bunker really sucks! This one my nephew grabbed and landed after a pretty good battle. This one was a little less than 30, weighed 28 the next day. Either way it was personal bests for both of them.
We caught 6 fish total in about an hour, the other 3 were all between 33"-38". This was all in two drifts where I saw no signs of life. Durring the second drift, all **** broke loose around us, and suddenly, the bunker were everywhere getting hit hard. That, to me, is about as good as it gets.

I've also had quite a few fish on chunks in the Northport/Huntington Bay area. Nothing big, but plenty of fun, and I put my other sister into her first striper ever last week.
 
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