[albieonthefly]

This past sunday me and a budy were packing up the yaks after doing a little fishing in Nissequogue area, when a state parks policeman comes over and tells us that "Launching of water crafts is not allowed anywhere in the park" we were in the parking lot of short beach.

What a load of bs. This is a great spot for yaking around and I know dozens of people who do it on the regular basis. I would hate to have to drive around to Kings Park to "launch" from the ramp.

Does anyone know why they would ban yaks? Whats next, can't bring a float for the beach... its a water craft isn't it?

Later!

 

[strip]

It is the job of the Federal government as well that of the NYS Government to make sure that we have as little fun as possible while allowing rich CEO's to steal our retirement funds and do whatever else they **** please.

 

[jamesa]

most beaches won't allow floats- from a safety concern it is felt that people who can't swim may get a little too bold...as much as I hate jet skis, banning them at the national seashore is just the first step from banning all watercraft. and I work for the federal government...

 

[seaslug44]

YOU NEED TO BUY THE $7.00 "CAR-TOP" PERMIT!!!

Here's the deal...

In the Town of Smithtown you need to purchase the $7.00 "CAR TOP" Permit from the Town Clerk's office. As quoted from the Town's website;

"CAR TOP PERMIT: A car top permit is issued for small crafts such as canoes, kayaks, dinghies, rubber rafts, etc., which are walked down to the water. Proof of residency must be shown. Cost is $7.00 each"

The website can be found here;

http://www.smithnetny.com/townhall/clerk.htm

There is a "rule sheet" that comes with the permit that states exactly where launching is permitted. To the best of my knowledge, it is only permitted at the two town boat ramps, the County Park near the Bull, the Nissequogue River State park, the Landing Avenue Park, and at privately maintained ramps such as the one owned by the San Remo Civic association.

I've personally wittnessed tickets being issued to people who have decided to park and launch boats on Riviera Drive in San Remo or Nissequogue River Road in Nissequogue.

But nobody ever stated that Kayaks are not allowed in the Nissequogue.

 

[614078]

All it takes is a few idiots paddling there kayaks to a place where there not supposed to be at and that alone will ruin it for the rest of us that do the right thing. Same goes for Jet Skiers. To many idiots with no common sense and now they're being banned from certain areas. That soon can happen to us kayakers. So when you do go out on your kayak please do the right thing. Don't upset surfcaster,boaters and don't trespass on private property cause you don't know who your dealing with. And please don't complain to law enforcement officers cause you'll ruin it for everyone else.

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[614536]

Nissequoge State Park and Short beach are a stones throw away from each other.If you can't launch at Short beach go over to the park.What's the big deal?
Regards,
Flypaint

 

[albieonthefly]

Haaa....

If you followed the park policeman instructions you would not be allowed to use your yak in either short beach or the state park. And would need to register your kayak in order to launch from ramps (hahahaha)

On a saturday and sunday there must be 100's of kayaks with all kinds of people going up and down the river so I wasn't really concerned about not being able to do it anymore.

At any rate, spoke to the right people in the right places and its all good.

Hope others don't get intimidated and stop having fun.

By the way, flyrodder sounds like he is having a really bad day, relax its a great day for chasing fish on the fly.

Best of luck!

 

[flysully]

Sorry, albieonthefly: It seems to me that flyroder is only advising that kayakers, like everyone else involved in fishing of any kind, just do the right thing. It avoids problems with the sport so we can all enjoy it equally. I don't agree that flyroder is "having a bad day".

 

[wader]

SHORT BEACH TO NISSEQUOGE - STONES THROW

Flypaint - they maybe a stones throw away from one another but probably a 15 to 20 minute drive. You need to drive all the way around the river to get from one to the other. They're probably as far away from each other as you can make them.

 

[wader]

Hey - Flyguy/gal - long time no hear from. How's the season been going? Try "The Spot" at all this year?

My normal mail address is temporarily down - try [email protected]

 

[mrsinbad]

I think Flyrodder is speaking from experience and is providing some advice for the rest of us so we don't go off on a cop and then he's gonna be a SOB to everyone else after that.

 

[seaslug44]

Wader is correct, the two parks are 15 to 20 minutes away. Also, as a resident of Smithtown, Short Beach is FREE with the sticker. Nissequogue River State Park is $5 to get in EVERY VISIT from April to Labor Day!

 

[614536]

Wow! I take it back! I didn't realize we were talking about a whole fifteen to twenty minutes!That dulgarned trooper's got some nerve.On the other hand it has never cost me a dime to launch from the state park!
Regards,
Flypaint

 

[614078]

albieonthefly I was speaking from experience and not blowing off steam. Flysully & mrsinbad got it right. Over the years I have seen places that I was able to access before and have no access now. Why? All it takes is 1 person to screw it up for the rest. The people you should not mess with while fishing are home owners,people on the beach, and definetly not the police. Cause when you mess with 1 of these and the home owner or anyone on the beach goes to there local town hall(or calls the police)that will be the beginning of no access to the area for any of us. And you certainly do not want to fool around with the police. That would just be the most moronic thing you could possibly do.

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[614347]

Arguing with the police or a security guard is like &%$$ing into the wind. It will surely come right back at you. Just remember these guys have a job to do, and some people make it easier while others make their job difficult.

If you show a cooperative attitude, and make it clear that you understand this, sometimes the officer rewards you with that which you seek. Very few people understand that they are just trying to do their job. If you make it clear that you understand that, chances are you will be accomodated.

Case in point ...there is one place I fish where the residents are so wealthy, they think they own the shorefront. Make some noise, and a resident calls security. Security shows up and tells you that you have to leave. If you're smart, you move. If you challenge the security guard "why don't you come get me?", you will leave the area in handcuffs. But if you quietly leave, you can set up 200' down the shoreline, and the security guard will actually thank you for making him look good. After all, a homeowner complained, security responded, and cleared the area. Once he knows you are co-operative, he even might suggest a spot that was productive on the last tide. He will grumble to you about how hard it is to work for people who don't have to work. He will make it quite plain that he is more like YOU than THEM. But not if you chalenge his authority! He will prove he has more "pull" than you, by having the local police arrest you for criminal tresspass, because you have to cross private property to get in/out.

I would say it's your choice to be confrontational or not, but your interaction with the authority figure will affect how he views other fisherman (kayakers, etc...). PLEASE don't do anything that will make him beligerent with ME! (After all, I have practically convinced him that YOU are a "good guy".)

Flounder

 

[622073]

OK, from a power boaters point of view... (small 16 ft aluminum)

You guys do no damage to the environment at all and this is a rediculous rule... they should make provisions for launching from short beach of !personally! owned and operated kayaks and canoes! To say you need to lauch from the same ramp as a guy with a 250 hp 26 footer is crazy!

I'm torn between seeing the comercial canoe launching at the ramp and the fact that some younger folks get to go out on the water when they otherwise wouldn't, but that's an arguement for another time...

Write a petition to change this whacky rule, and I'll sign it. Again, this is for personal, untrailered kayaks and canoes.

As far as the Jet skier's go, there are some jerks and there are some good guys... there are some jerks with boats too... I surf cast, I boat, I drive on the beach... and I'll back your right to do something that is the least harmful to the environment.

Pick a spot you want to launch from, and get a petition going.

Richie

 

[seaslug44]

It's not as simple as starting a petition...

For starters, the entire Nissequogue River is protected under the New York State Scenic and Recreational River act. All launching access of any kind must be approved by DEC because it's environmentally sensitive land. By law, any launching access granted must not exclude commercial rental companies. In otherwords, if private owners are permitted to launch at Short Beach, so are all the commercial canoe and yak rental companies.

Second, let's not forget about the Piping Plover. Those birds have more rights than we do. Short Beach is a federally recognized piping plover nesting area. Any change in use, even on the river side, will need approval. In the eyes of the plover supporters, any increase in traffic for any reason is a bad thing.

Third, there is the Smithtown Board and the Town of Smithtown parks department budget. These are the same two culprits that still don't allow night fishing at half of the beaches. Any changes would have to go through the process. -Good luck with the town.

Finally, there is the Village of Nissequogue. This small, but powerful government could eliminate car-top boats from their community in a hearbeat. If you don't believe it, take a look at the "no boat trailers" signs on Nissequogue River Road. They outlawed boat trailers when the Town boat ramp caused too much traffic. The thought of more small boat launching at Short Beach would kill them. All they'll need to do is outlaw car-top boats on the river road and then there will be no way to get to Short Beach.

 

[622073]

Your right Doc, Point(s) taken...

The Island just isn't what it used to be... The ***** politicians sold us down the river... now that we're overpopulated and can't enjoy the things we used to, are we suppose to call this progress.. (retorical, I don't expect a reply...) My family has lived on the Island since the 20's, I remember the late 60's... not the same Island I grew up on.

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[albieonthefly]

Hello again,

Great weekend of fishing and just noticed some very interesting responses to this issue.

I don't argue or complain about not having access to certain spots, sure it would be nice but it is what it is and there are 100's of reasons why the restrictions are bad and/or good.

Unlike so many boneheads that I know of, I don't try to sneak in early in the morning at night or play any other games in order to fish a "spot"

I was surprised however, that short beach where dozens of kayakers all of who we live in the area meet on the regular basis to paddle around doesn't allow launching of watercrafts.

There are tons of good places to fish around here, where you can use your kayak so this has never been an issue to me.

By the way, Its naive and silly to think that one or two people being in the wrong place "ruins" it for the rest of us. Things are a lot more complicated than that.

See you out there and best of luck!

 

[614078]

albieonthefly quote:
By the way, Its naive and silly to think that one or two people being in the wrong place "ruins" it for the rest of us. Things are a lot more complicated than that.

By reading that quote tells me your either a teenager or someone in there early 20's that doesn't have a clue. Twenty seven years ago I had access to just about any place on L.I. I wanted to fish. Now today on L.I. access is becoming less and less. Why? Because people and only people screw it up for the rest. It could be leaving your garbage behind,it could be you emptied some bodily fluids on someones property or within sight of someone on the beach,it could easily be you having a disagreement with either security or law enforcement official. The list could go on and on but these things have and will continue to take any access we had before away from us now. Towns on L.I. are looking for any little thing to close down there beaches to outsiders. I just found out over the weekend a certain spot I had access to on LNB for early spring stripers is now off limits to everyone. Why? Because of all the trash(bait boxes,fishing line)that was left on the shoreline. Yes most of the trash like broken beer bottles was left there by local teenagers that live there. But because of the few fisherman that would leave there garbage behind gave the residents a reason to kick all of us out of there.