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Since the new rediscovery of jigging opportunies in NC, many guys show interest in jigging grouper/AJ in NC. I even got an e-mail from Asia to visit the US just for jigging big AJ in NC.


I'd like to discuss about jigging tackles based on my recent trips to NC as it might help those who visit NC for jigging grouper and AJ in the future.

AMBERJACK

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Amberjack is very strong fish and there are many big amberjack upto 100 lbs. When fishing amberjack, they usually use very heavy reels and rods, but not the case in NC as bottom structures there are not sticky and you seldom lose AJ due to structures. As long as you have over 200 yards of 65 lbs with 18 - 20 lbs drag, it can handle any AJ.
The normal depth you fish for AJ is about 250 ft and 300 ft.

You can use spinning setups as well as conventional setups.
Whether you use spinning or coventional setups, the shorter and the lighter, the better as you have to crank fast.
This is when Japanese style jigging works best. The more aggressive and the faster you crank, you get more bites. It is pretty easy fishing. Drop your jigs to the bottom and crank like ****. While you get most bites near the bottom, I had many hit while I cranked 50 turns. When you miss a hit, don't stop cranking as you will get another bite soon.

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AJ are very aggressive fish and take any jig. But I found they prefer long jigs for unknown reason. I had plenty of hit with 8 oz diamond/hammered diamond jigs, but guys who use long jigs have more hit and bigger AJ consistantly. 7 - 10 oz Williamson's Benthos jigs work great. However you can use expensive Japanese long jigs as you seldom lose jigs in NC.

SNOWY GROUPER/OTHER GROUPERS

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Jigging technique for snowy grouper is totally different from jigging for AJ. As groupers stay near the bottom, you got to jig very close to bottom. For this purpose, I recommend to use longer rods as we jig for cod. On the down swing, you always feel your jigs hit the bottom.
For grouper jigging, I recommend to use 7 - 8 ft rod. We usually use rods with stiff tips for grouper fishing as they tend to go into structures once hooked.

-jigs
For gag grouper or red groupers you can use 6 - 8 oz jigs as you don't fish deep, but you need 16 - 24 oz jig for snowy grouper as they fish upto 850 ft for snowy grouper.
On the recent trip out of Willington, NC we didn't have any problem to catch out limit (one per person) of snowy grouper while the other two boats struggled with one and two snowy grouper as current was very strong that day. The reason why we were successful that day was we could use heavier jigs (24 oz) and power drifted.
For grouper jigging, you don't need expensive jigs as cheap diamond/hammered diamond jigs or similar jigs work as well for grouper.

-leader line
you can use light leader line for AJ, but I highly recommend to use heavier leader line targeting groupers for two reasons.
One: your lines get damaged easily as you jig close to the bottom or structures.
Two: Strong initial headshake of big grouper can break any line under 100 lbs very easily, especially when using braided line.

This post edited by KILSONG 01:26 PM 04/17/2008
 

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great post kil. the rigs i am bringing when we go in 2 weeks are:

- new OTI 5'6" rod with stella 10k (80lb braid/80lb FC)
- OTI 7'6" rod with saragosa (100lb braid/100lb FC)
i will test saragosa at high drag settings on the shorter jigging rod, which is why i put 100lb test on it.

- 870 2speed on hopper 500g (60lb OTI depthfinder, 60lb FC)
- 665 2spd on jigging master 500g (thanks, glenn) - 80lb zenaq/80lb FC)

I havent used the Varivas FC shock leader yet but I got it in and it feels great, just as soft as the blackwater. Does anyone have experience using it?

I will use mostly OTI jigs, with a Williamson and Braid jig tossed in. I got some new Jackal jigs from TJ since I can't find them in stores yet. I think AJs will love those jigs.

I do not think we will do any snowy grouper so I'm not worried about that. Are there any report of yellowfin? Are blackfin still in the area?

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bretabaker wrote:
paul hows the rod coming? i gotta show it off in north carolina!!
the OTI custom coming along great, i dont know how many bird fans are down there,but it should be good to show off;)
i see you are going to have a Jigging master also. that is a sweet rod

This post edited by paul708 01:31 PM 04/17/2008
 

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paul708 wrote:
great write up kil
i hope to fish down there in may with ken,after the trip to Obanks
and i know a few guys have trips in july
seem like its going to be a popular fishing spot for the Aj own there


Jig fishermen fly to NZ for kingfish jigging and fly to Australia for samson fish jigging. I feel AJ jigging in NC is as good as anywhere else in the world in terms of quality and quantity and you don't have to spend tons of money to fish there.



This post edited by KILSONG 01:45 PM 04/17/2008
 

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Bret, you cover everything.
In fact, I like to use my Stella 8000 for AJ instead of bigger Stella.
Bring a few 24 oz jigs if you can find in case as you never know.
I think SeaRock has jigs upto 700g (24.8 oz).

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KILSONG wrote:
Bret, you cover everything.
In fact, I like to use my Stella 8000 for AJ instead of bigger Stella.
Bring a few 24 oz jigs if you can find in case as you never know.
I think SeaRock has jigs upto 700g (24.8 oz).

Kil, where do you purchase the larger crippled herring jigs?

Thanks,
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bellyups wrote:

Kil, where do you purchase the larger crippled herring jigs?

Thanks,
Scott

Scott, I get from Peace Token tackle in NY. They have Crippled Herring upto 20 oz. When I called the shop for 700g SeaRock jigs, they say they don't have them on stock now, but they can get them.
Here is the store number. 718-565-2376.



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KILSONG wrote:
Bret, you cover everything.
In fact, I like to use my Stella 8000 for AJ instead of bigger Stella.
Bring a few 24 oz jigs if you can find in case as you never know.
I think SeaRock has jigs upto 700g (24.8 oz).
yeah i think im going to order a few, and i think FTU has several very heavy jigs as well...thanks for the tip
 

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Peterk814 wrote:
hey kil,

how long does aj and grouper fishing stay hot in NC?
365 days. :)
The water temp of AJ ground I fished last time was 75 degree.

I thought cooler water temp inshore in winter might affect grouper fishing, but it is not. They catch grouper all winter.
 

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KILSONG wrote:
paul708 wrote:
great write up kil
i hope to fish down there in may with ken,after the trip to Obanks
and i know a few guys have trips in july
seem like its going to be a popular fishing spot for the Aj own there


Jig fishermen fly to NZ for kingfish jigging and fly to Australia for samson fish jigging. I feel AJ jigging in NC is as good as anywhere else in the world in terms of quality and quantity and you don't have to spend tons of money to fish there.

yes the rid is pretty close for us. and the places to stay sound very afforadable
along with the boats, and its not to far off shore to some good fishing
 

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Kil, Looking foward to the trip on friday. Joe and I made sure everything is ready. Since we commercial fish with his boat a little extra cleaning went into play. We will be targeting Red and Scamp grouper on this trip depending on the current. First stop 40 nm or closer the spots been hot in the past were keeping our fingers crossed for tomorrow. Just to let you know, in the summer when the inshore water really warms the AJ'S move pretty close in. You can catch goog numbers inside 20 nm of the beach and closer.As for the grouper it can be as good as it gets. Ken
 

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jtl720 wrote:
I want to get one of the starter pack of 13 OTI jigs - which colors and sizes do you recommend for 300' or less. Fishing for gags scamp aj and snapper.Color of choice usually fishermen's choice,not fishes' choice.
If you can not decide, start with chrome or pink/red.
I like to use short jigs for grouper and long jigs for AJ with 7 - 10 oz weight.
If you can not decide which jigs to use, then use 8 oz hammered diamond jigs which catch anything.



This post edited by KILSONG 05:56 PM 04/17/2008
 

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Hi guys,

Greetings from Singapore!

I'm planning on heading down to NC sometime this year, in August hopefully to have a go at AJ jigging.

Just a question about US airports and customs...

Do you guys check-in your reels for domestic flights? Do they allow reels on hand carry?

And are they very particular about long jigs?

Many thanks,
Mark


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I will be also fishing with Capt Ken of Swell Rider Sportfishing this Saturday and Sunday. It will be interesting to see what Kilsong brings down to the table to get on these fish.I guess i am in for a treat...A nice long weekend of jigging some grouper and AJ's. If you guys are heading down here Swell rider is a first class operation and it dont hurt the he is a fellow long islander...

www.swellridersportfishing.com
 

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markr wrote:
Hi guys,

Greetings from Singapore!

I'm planning on heading down to NC sometime this year, in August hopefully to have a go at AJ jigging.

Just a question about US airports and customs...

Do you guys check-in your reels for domestic flights? Do they allow reels on hand carry?

And are they very particular about long jigs?

Many thanks,
Mark


I always carry on reels. you can carry on small jigs with out any hooks but not long jigs. you can check in Rod holder up to 70" I belive. If it's longer, you have to pay extra..:). You can check in 2 bags up to 50LBS.


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