Went fishing at manhattan beach for bass,blues. Caught a 25" bass on a chunk. Released it. So much people r keeping undersized fish in manhattan beach and even on most of the partyboats in sheapshead bay. And I mean really breaking the limit and size. In m.b. these people will keep a 12" fluke. They will not throw back anything back. And as for the party boats, the limits and size are being broken for blackfish,seabass,porgys, and bluefish. Smoething has to be done. For the 4 years I been fishing in sheapshead bay , I have only seen a game worden once. I am tired of this bull****. If there will be no checks, people will never change.
Im tired of this bs
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when you see wrong doings report it
the dec can't be everywhere. Put their number in your cell phone and call they may not come at that time but will show up and take watch and hopefully catch the bums that break the law and destroy our fishery.
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the dec can't be everywhere. Put their number in your cell phone and call they may not come at that time but will show up and take watch and hopefully catch the bums that break the law and destroy our fishery.
Bob
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DEC cannot enforce what they are not aware of. I agree; find out your local officers name & cell number and keep it with you on your cell phone. If you're on a partyboat, take a walk into the head and dial the number and report what you see. They'll meet the boat at the dock or even send a boat out to board the partyboat.
Same with the piers/surf. They'll come and enforce the laws if you call. They need us "good guys" to be their eyes and ears. I've got my local officer's number programmed in my cell phone and I call it often. I don't feel bad about making that call either. It's better than watching those violators walk away with smiles on their faces because they are bringing home buckets of undersized fish. A few nasty fines will wipe those smiles away very quickly.
DEC cannot enforce what they are not aware of. I agree; find out your local officers name & cell number and keep it with you on your cell phone. If you're on a partyboat, take a walk into the head and dial the number and report what you see. They'll meet the boat at the dock or even send a boat out to board the partyboat.
Same with the piers/surf. They'll come and enforce the laws if you call. They need us "good guys" to be their eyes and ears. I've got my local officer's number programmed in my cell phone and I call it often. I don't feel bad about making that call either. It's better than watching those violators walk away with smiles on their faces because they are bringing home buckets of undersized fish. A few nasty fines will wipe those smiles away very quickly.
I too keep a list of phone numbers in the glove compartment (my cell is supposed to be for business 
(I have called 911 only to be transferred around- now I keep the list.) I have both local town bay constables, 7th precinct, both CG stations etc on the list. I only have a handheld VHF and feel the cell is more reliable. Bottom line: turn the dirty rats in. Far too many of us look the other way.
(I have called 911 only to be transferred around- now I keep the list.) I have both local town bay constables, 7th precinct, both CG stations etc on the list. I only have a handheld VHF and feel the cell is more reliable. Bottom line: turn the dirty rats in. Far too many of us look the other way.How about this.......putting up a sign at popular fishing spots, something to the effect of....."YOU ARE BEING WATCHED - Fellow fishermen will not tolerate the possesion of illegal fish. If you see someone taking illegal fish, call 1-800 WHATEVER and a DEC officer will come. Fines for illegal fish possesion - $100 each fish (or whatever)
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Take it in the "Shorts"
I was fishing PJ #11 a while back and I see this guy pull in a schoolie bass of about 20-24 inches -He promply throws it in the cooler.Well I was really steamed and being about 20 feet away I yell to him-hey that was a short--Well he tells me no problem because he's from Connecticut and the size is 24 inches-So I tell him- Hey Bubba you're in NY now, not Conn.-28 inches-He threw the fish back but you could hear the cursing under his breath all the way to Huntington
This poaching mentality is a real problem
I was fishing PJ #11 a while back and I see this guy pull in a schoolie bass of about 20-24 inches -He promply throws it in the cooler.Well I was really steamed and being about 20 feet away I yell to him-hey that was a short--Well he tells me no problem because he's from Connecticut and the size is 24 inches-So I tell him- Hey Bubba you're in NY now, not Conn.-28 inches-He threw the fish back but you could hear the cursing under his breath all the way to Huntington
This poaching mentality is a real problem
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Botumfedur, that's a good idea. I am very angry when I see other people not just kill the short fish but use it for bait. Example is when "short" Flukes are cut on the white side and the rest of body is thrown back to the water or left in the hot sun.
I see red often. I almost went cuckoo one day when this guy dissed me, keep crossing my line, blowing cigar smoke in my face, and cutting short flukes for bait. He like many others that day didnt kept the short flukes but cut the white side and thrown the body back to the water. I was so ready to show him Jet Lee's hidden dragon.
I am very angry when I see other people not just kill the short fish but use it for bait. Example is when "short" Flukes are cut on the white side and the rest of body is thrown back to the water or left in the hot sun. I see red often. I almost went cuckoo one day when this guy dissed me, keep crossing my line, blowing cigar smoke in my face, and cutting short flukes for bait. He like many others that day didnt kept the short flukes but cut the white side and thrown the body back to the water. I was so ready to show him Jet Lee's hidden dragon.
Look at this post in the surf/fourm.
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I was cruising around trying to snag some fresh bunker in the back of manhasset bay when I met a DEC officer with 13 short bass...the biggest was about 14". He just confiscated them from some "fisherman" and was in the process of writing fines. Great to see them out doing a good job, wish there were more around so that every fish that comes on shore isn't killed. The bunker weren't really schooled up or being harassed, but they were there.
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I was cruising around trying to snag some fresh bunker in the back of manhasset bay when I met a DEC officer with 13 short bass...the biggest was about 14". He just confiscated them from some "fisherman" and was in the process of writing fines. Great to see them out doing a good job, wish there were more around so that every fish that comes on shore isn't killed. The bunker weren't really schooled up or being harassed, but they were there.
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Not knowing the REGS.
The area you call Sheepshead bay has been a 10 year development for the Russian people a loud to deport there home land. The sad part is coming here many do not speak the language let alone understand our laws and fishing regulations. Now I?m not saying it is only Immigrants. There are many others doing it also. But the majority are immigrants not understanding what there doing. Yes there are many that say I don?t speak English when you say to them they are wrong for keeping shorts. They claim they don?t understand you. but then I have seen others actually not know they were doing wrong.
So before you call the DEC I would suggest trying to explain to them there are regulations in this country and they must be obeyed. Then if they give you the old don?t understand English or don?t follow your advice. Then you get out your cell phone and call the DEC and tell them what is happening! These people eat everything they catch. They did this in there country and are only doing the same thinking it is ok. Now I?m not defending them I feel they should only be allowed in our country if they can pass a English comprehensive test. But you have to give them the benefit of the doubt first.
The area you call Sheepshead bay has been a 10 year development for the Russian people a loud to deport there home land. The sad part is coming here many do not speak the language let alone understand our laws and fishing regulations. Now I?m not saying it is only Immigrants. There are many others doing it also. But the majority are immigrants not understanding what there doing. Yes there are many that say I don?t speak English when you say to them they are wrong for keeping shorts. They claim they don?t understand you. but then I have seen others actually not know they were doing wrong.
So before you call the DEC I would suggest trying to explain to them there are regulations in this country and they must be obeyed. Then if they give you the old don?t understand English or don?t follow your advice. Then you get out your cell phone and call the DEC and tell them what is happening! These people eat everything they catch. They did this in there country and are only doing the same thinking it is ok. Now I?m not defending them I feel they should only be allowed in our country if they can pass a English comprehensive test. But you have to give them the benefit of the doubt first.
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undersized bait
Was jigging around behind the sore thumb on Sat and I watched some guy in a 26 ft. regulator fishing for porgys for live bait. he kept a half a dozen about 7 or 8 inches long while I was there. This same guy probably wouldn't keep a short bass, and probably considers himself a sportsman.
Was jigging around behind the sore thumb on Sat and I watched some guy in a 26 ft. regulator fishing for porgys for live bait. he kept a half a dozen about 7 or 8 inches long while I was there. This same guy probably wouldn't keep a short bass, and probably considers himself a sportsman.
I have never seen game wardens and those **** park police get paid to stare at the beach booty.(nice job!) I have seen people filet short fluke as they pull them out of the surf. I even saw a guy keep a bass that looked like it was hardly over a foot long
IDIOTS...these people are Idiots.
Something needs to be done. The only ones who can fix this mess are the good guys out there who obey the regs.
IDIOTS...these people are Idiots.
Something needs to be done. The only ones who can fix this mess are the good guys out there who obey the regs.
Togmaster- I was flyfishing a TMA on one of our local rivers when I spotted Russians with a whole bucketfull of trout.This is a catch and release area{for trout only}.I explained to them that they could not keep the trout.Guess what??The Russians argued with me and swore the fish were Salmon and they could keep them.Give me a break,I'm not falling for that BS.They knew exactly what was going on.There hasn't been a salmon in that river system for 150 years.I'm not saying all cases are like this but it really pissed me off that the guy knew he was breaking our laws,didn't give a **** and then had the balls to try and feed me this "no they're salmon" crap.So,with that scenario in mind I suppose short Fluke can be mistaken for Sea Robbins and short Bass can kind of look like mummichogs.....
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I agree Climbnutt
I do agree with you and even stated in my post if they do not follow your advice of releasing the shorts or non legal catch. Call the DEC on your cell phone. I have had the same thing happen to me at a private lake. I went and got the land owner who made them dump the whole bucket of sunnies already dead back in and banned them from the property. So like I said it is not only Russians or immigrants doing it? I was just giving the ones who don't understand the benefit of the doubt. It?s funny a lot of people like to bring up the facts but little is done. Believe me if you let people know your watching them they will think twice before doing it. Most people will not say a word. Then they will keep breaking the REGS. But once you say something to them or threaten to call the DEC it will put some worry on there shoulders. I?m not saying this will stop them but it may help? As far as the ignorant few they need to be fined and if totally non responsive jailed!
I do agree with you and even stated in my post if they do not follow your advice of releasing the shorts or non legal catch. Call the DEC on your cell phone. I have had the same thing happen to me at a private lake. I went and got the land owner who made them dump the whole bucket of sunnies already dead back in and banned them from the property. So like I said it is not only Russians or immigrants doing it? I was just giving the ones who don't understand the benefit of the doubt. It?s funny a lot of people like to bring up the facts but little is done. Believe me if you let people know your watching them they will think twice before doing it. Most people will not say a word. Then they will keep breaking the REGS. But once you say something to them or threaten to call the DEC it will put some worry on there shoulders. I?m not saying this will stop them but it may help? As far as the ignorant few they need to be fined and if totally non responsive jailed!
tired?
i think we should be concentrating on the commercial guys fishing us out. a few short fluke or bass aren't affecting our stocks as much as the commercials who have basically ruined the entire east coast fishery, and will continue to do as long as they can. they are just making a living i agree, but there are only so many fish to go around. i wonder how many fluke the offshore draggers picked up between 2-10 lbs this winter. it was pretty calm, and pretty warm.
i think we should be concentrating on the commercial guys fishing us out. a few short fluke or bass aren't affecting our stocks as much as the commercials who have basically ruined the entire east coast fishery, and will continue to do as long as they can. they are just making a living i agree, but there are only so many fish to go around. i wonder how many fluke the offshore draggers picked up between 2-10 lbs this winter. it was pretty calm, and pretty warm.
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Now your bringing up a old post that everyone here has debated. The goverment and NMFS and AMFS are the ones you need to address on that issue. Hey I want my kids to catch fish in there life time too. But the sad part is the money and vote game has turned our waters into a semi ghost town with certian speices. I would love to go to the 20 mil wrecks and still put some cod in the cooler for supper but that is history at this point? This is the hardest game to win? The only way to beat law makers is to fight them in court! and that cost alot these days? So hopefully they will use there heads before it is too late?
Now your bringing up a old post that everyone here has debated. The goverment and NMFS and AMFS are the ones you need to address on that issue. Hey I want my kids to catch fish in there life time too. But the sad part is the money and vote game has turned our waters into a semi ghost town with certian speices. I would love to go to the 20 mil wrecks and still put some cod in the cooler for supper but that is history at this point? This is the hardest game to win? The only way to beat law makers is to fight them in court! and that cost alot these days? So hopefully they will use there heads before it is too late?
On a daily basis
i would suggest there are MANY MANY more fish being poached by RECREATIONAL anglers than by the commercial fleet combined.
add up all the fisherman who keep shorts and these fish will greatly exceed the amount of fish being poached by commercial guys and possibly what they catch legally as well.
i would suggest there are MANY MANY more fish being poached by RECREATIONAL anglers than by the commercial fleet combined.
add up all the fisherman who keep shorts and these fish will greatly exceed the amount of fish being poached by commercial guys and possibly what they catch legally as well.
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pointing a finger
I think it is a combonation of both!
Finger pointing is not the way to help. Working as one is the best way of getting the point across. Remeber both Rec's and Comm's suffer equally. So the power of both working together is what we need at this point to stop more damage before it is too late. Fighting between us gets us nowhere?
I think it is a combonation of both!
Finger pointing is not the way to help. Working as one is the best way of getting the point across. Remeber both Rec's and Comm's suffer equally. So the power of both working together is what we need at this point to stop more damage before it is too late. Fighting between us gets us nowhere?
togmaster i agree
but many people turn a blind eye or deaf ear to the damage being done by recreational fisherman as well.
they see the large commercial boats and direct all their anger and frustration at them, when the problem is ALSO the guy in the 22' center console next to them keeping that extra fish, or that fish that is just 1/4" short.
it might be just one fish, but add up all the times that is done and it really adds up to a very large problem.
i see this all the time at the local marinas, rec. fisherman makeup their own version of the rules, such as:
keeping 2 bass per person, they just claim they are a charter boat and they are taking out fares, now ofcourse they are not charter boats, but this is the reasoning they use on a DAILY basis to poach. this is common practice for many boats in this area, and since everybody else is doing it, everyone feels its ok.
since enforcement is so lax, they just get away with it, if you get caught, they feel you were just unlucky that day.
this year i see lots of guys keeping 16" fluke, when i asked a few fisherman about this they tell me,
the 17" size is unreasonable for this area, and they won't keep any fish under 16". again enforcement is so lax, that if you get caught you were just unlucky.
the problem is in both camps, recreational and commercial.
and as i have stated before, both sides must work TOGETHER to get anywhere on this matter.
stepping up to the table with the attitude "i want all the commercial guys out" will not get anybody anywhere.
this must be a combined effort to make the resourse better for both.
the fight is with the government agencies that control the fisheries and manage them in a political fashion instead of whats good for the fishery.
that is where the problem is.
fix that and there will be more than enough fish for all.
but many people turn a blind eye or deaf ear to the damage being done by recreational fisherman as well.
they see the large commercial boats and direct all their anger and frustration at them, when the problem is ALSO the guy in the 22' center console next to them keeping that extra fish, or that fish that is just 1/4" short.
it might be just one fish, but add up all the times that is done and it really adds up to a very large problem.
i see this all the time at the local marinas, rec. fisherman makeup their own version of the rules, such as:
keeping 2 bass per person, they just claim they are a charter boat and they are taking out fares, now ofcourse they are not charter boats, but this is the reasoning they use on a DAILY basis to poach. this is common practice for many boats in this area, and since everybody else is doing it, everyone feels its ok.
since enforcement is so lax, they just get away with it, if you get caught, they feel you were just unlucky that day.
this year i see lots of guys keeping 16" fluke, when i asked a few fisherman about this they tell me,
the 17" size is unreasonable for this area, and they won't keep any fish under 16". again enforcement is so lax, that if you get caught you were just unlucky.
the problem is in both camps, recreational and commercial.
and as i have stated before, both sides must work TOGETHER to get anywhere on this matter.
stepping up to the table with the attitude "i want all the commercial guys out" will not get anybody anywhere.
this must be a combined effort to make the resourse better for both.
the fight is with the government agencies that control the fisheries and manage them in a political fashion instead of whats good for the fishery.
that is where the problem is.
fix that and there will be more than enough fish for all.
No offense, I do not agree with everything MEGALODON says, but his last two paragraphs summarize *IN A NUTSHELL* what must be done if there is any chance for RESULTS. Thank you, and nothing else constructively need be said. Otherwise, these are just empty complaints.
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