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cheesy attempt by the Republicans to paint a rosy upswing leading into the November elections..
when I read your title of the thread I thought you were talking about Mcain's idea to further reduce taxes on the big oil companies so that THEY can do all the alternative fuel research with the extra money..
yeah let the oil companies discover something other than oil. He's serious too. I know drill more oil blah blah blah...
BRILLIANT !
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when I read your title of the thread I thought you were talking about Mcain's idea to further reduce taxes on the big oil companies so that THEY can do all the alternative fuel research with the extra money..
yeah let the oil companies discover something other than oil. He's serious too. I know drill more oil blah blah blah...
BRILLIANT !
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mm wrote:
Well you didn't expect the payments to shrink the deficit, did you?
Deficit aside - I thought it was stupid because:
1 - the amount being refunded was pretty much insignificant & would not really have any impact on someone's "comfort level". Make it $5 to $10,000 & yeaah - that would help
2 - most people would probably spend it on a new Japanese, Korean, Chinese manufactured electronic gizmo or European car & only stimulate someone else's economy not ours...
The deficit increase was only going to be the consolation prize.
Dumb ass idea.......
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Well you didn't expect the payments to shrink the deficit, did you?
Deficit aside - I thought it was stupid because:
1 - the amount being refunded was pretty much insignificant & would not really have any impact on someone's "comfort level". Make it $5 to $10,000 & yeaah - that would help
2 - most people would probably spend it on a new Japanese, Korean, Chinese manufactured electronic gizmo or European car & only stimulate someone else's economy not ours...
The deficit increase was only going to be the consolation prize.
Dumb ass idea.......
This post edited by wader 03:56 PM 06/11/2008
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likeitreallyis wrote:
cheesy attempt by the Republicans to paint a rosy upswing leading into the November elections..
LMAO!!! Republicans??? Ah, who's in control of the Senate & Congress these days? Who ran the bill through both houses??
Fee free to consider it the "Incombent Protection Act of 2008", but at least be honest and spread the cheesyness around. Don't forget, it was Democrats who insisted on giving "rebates" to people who didn't even pay taxes in the first place.
cheesy attempt by the Republicans to paint a rosy upswing leading into the November elections..
LMAO!!! Republicans??? Ah, who's in control of the Senate & Congress these days? Who ran the bill through both houses??
Fee free to consider it the "Incombent Protection Act of 2008", but at least be honest and spread the cheesyness around. Don't forget, it was Democrats who insisted on giving "rebates" to people who didn't even pay taxes in the first place.
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Gaucho wrote:
So this wasnt Bush's idea?
I swore I saw him on TV talking about it.
Honestly Tony, I'm not sure who's idea it was, but with the Democrats in control of both houses, Bush's "ideas" don't matter if they don't push the legislation. He's had the "idea" of increasing domestic oil production since he's been in office and we see how far that went.
So this wasnt Bush's idea?
I swore I saw him on TV talking about it.
Honestly Tony, I'm not sure who's idea it was, but with the Democrats in control of both houses, Bush's "ideas" don't matter if they don't push the legislation. He's had the "idea" of increasing domestic oil production since he's been in office and we see how far that went.
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Gaucho wrote:
So this wasnt Bush's idea?
I swore I saw him on TV talking about it.
Over and over and over and over again.. who would vote against something like that in an election year?
So this wasnt Bush's idea?
I swore I saw him on TV talking about it.
Over and over and over and over again.. who would vote against something like that in an election year?
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Scott we don't have much oil hate to break the news. Certainly not enough to be a major player in the cost.
Natural Gas however... but only the Canadians are smart enough to run thier cars on it..
Starting to work it's way down.
63 cents a gallon.:
So far, CNG vehicles haven?t made a blip on my radar screen, even though the group Natural Gas Vehicles for America (NGVA) estimates there are 150,000 NGVs on U.S. roads today and over 5 million worldwide. It took a phone call from sunny Southern Utah to clue me in to recent developments, which include a local refueling station overflowing with CNG-hungry vehicles.
There are about 1500 CNG refueling stations in the US, which is about the same number of commercial stations offering E85 ethanol blends. Utah has a total of 91 CNG filling stations, most of which are reserved for commercial fleet use, but there are 20 open to the public. According to an article by the Associated Press, you could drive Utah from top to bottom and hit 22 different stations offering compressed natural gas.
The NGVA also says there are 50 different manufacturers producing 150 models of light, medium and heavy-duty vehicles and engines that run on compressed natural gas. Unfortunately, there?s only one for sale to individuals, Honda?s Civic GX, and it?s only offered in California and New York (although Utah could be next on the list). California ranks highest in number of CNG refueling stations, but fuel prices are also higher?more like $2.50 per gallon.
There?s so much demand now in Utah for CNG-ready vehicles that Honda can?t make them fast enough. Savvy customers are buying the vehicles from other states and shipping them back for sale. But waiting for a new Honda Civic GX to role off the assembly line isn?t the only option. It?s also possible to convert a used vehicle to run on natural gas, like Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who converted his state-owned Chevy Suburban. And for either used or new vehicles, the tax incentives are substantial. Combining state and federal tax credits in Utah can almost completely offset the approximately $7,000 difference in price between regular and CNG-ready vehicles.
full link:
http://gas2.org/2008/04/29/natural-gas-cars-cng-fuel-almost-free-in-some-parts-of-the-country/
This is called forward thinking.. Republicans: Drill more Drill more see the dems won't let us..
The Dems want to get off oil..
Big Oil Lobbyists keep options like this off the table. There are solutions. Not sending kids to war and eventually bump heads with China and Russia over 100 year old plus technology.
Wake the F up and stop fighting for oil. Answers are in your backyard.
Natural Gas however... but only the Canadians are smart enough to run thier cars on it..
Starting to work it's way down.
63 cents a gallon.:
So far, CNG vehicles haven?t made a blip on my radar screen, even though the group Natural Gas Vehicles for America (NGVA) estimates there are 150,000 NGVs on U.S. roads today and over 5 million worldwide. It took a phone call from sunny Southern Utah to clue me in to recent developments, which include a local refueling station overflowing with CNG-hungry vehicles.
There are about 1500 CNG refueling stations in the US, which is about the same number of commercial stations offering E85 ethanol blends. Utah has a total of 91 CNG filling stations, most of which are reserved for commercial fleet use, but there are 20 open to the public. According to an article by the Associated Press, you could drive Utah from top to bottom and hit 22 different stations offering compressed natural gas.
The NGVA also says there are 50 different manufacturers producing 150 models of light, medium and heavy-duty vehicles and engines that run on compressed natural gas. Unfortunately, there?s only one for sale to individuals, Honda?s Civic GX, and it?s only offered in California and New York (although Utah could be next on the list). California ranks highest in number of CNG refueling stations, but fuel prices are also higher?more like $2.50 per gallon.
There?s so much demand now in Utah for CNG-ready vehicles that Honda can?t make them fast enough. Savvy customers are buying the vehicles from other states and shipping them back for sale. But waiting for a new Honda Civic GX to role off the assembly line isn?t the only option. It?s also possible to convert a used vehicle to run on natural gas, like Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who converted his state-owned Chevy Suburban. And for either used or new vehicles, the tax incentives are substantial. Combining state and federal tax credits in Utah can almost completely offset the approximately $7,000 difference in price between regular and CNG-ready vehicles.
full link:
http://gas2.org/2008/04/29/natural-gas-cars-cng-fuel-almost-free-in-some-parts-of-the-country/
This is called forward thinking.. Republicans: Drill more Drill more see the dems won't let us..
The Dems want to get off oil..
Big Oil Lobbyists keep options like this off the table. There are solutions. Not sending kids to war and eventually bump heads with China and Russia over 100 year old plus technology.
Wake the F up and stop fighting for oil. Answers are in your backyard.
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Scott1280 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
So this wasnt Bush's idea?
I swore I saw him on TV talking about it.
Honestly Tony, I'm not sure who's idea it was, but with the Democrats in control of both houses, Bush's "ideas" don't matter if they don't push the legislation. He's had the "idea" of increasing domestic oil production since he's been in office and we see how far that went.
Thanks.
Why can't they all just get along
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Gaucho wrote:
So this wasnt Bush's idea?
I swore I saw him on TV talking about it.
Honestly Tony, I'm not sure who's idea it was, but with the Democrats in control of both houses, Bush's "ideas" don't matter if they don't push the legislation. He's had the "idea" of increasing domestic oil production since he's been in office and we see how far that went.
Thanks.
Why can't they all just get along
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