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I read an article a while back in a Flyfishing magazine, which showed teh different colors of the color spectrum and how quickly they lose their color underwater. What I remember most, is that within 15 feet, the color Red completely fades.

This actually interests me as I often wonder if that is true then why do people use Red lures, flys, etc? Anyone know?

PS: My alterior motive is so I know how hard it is going to be if I drop my Pink rod & reel over the side.
 

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My college days...

Billy, I recall from my college oceanography courses similar information (I guess this is that time the professor told us about when we would need that stuff. Oh why did I ever burn that book).

I recall that red was the first to be filtered out/absorbed and blue was the last and that light could penetrate about 100 feet. That is why only blue algea is found in the depths.

However, one or two of the divers on this site said that was absolutely wrong and that their was visible light and color at 100+ feet. I had brought it up in a discussion about colors of jigs for deep water fishing. So I don't know what to believe and I'll keep using colored jigs in deep water.
 

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What Fish see?

Most fish can see in color. As in people, the retina of a fish's eye contains two types of cells, rods and cones. Cones are used for day vision and are the cells used to see colors. Rods are used for night vision and cannot distinguish colors, although they can judge light intensity. The eyes of most freshwater fish contain both rods and cones, though day feeders tend to have more cones, and night feeders more rods.

In theory, then, day feeders like bass, trout, and salmon are more sensitive to color than night feeders like walleyes. Studies have shown that rainbow trout and Pacific salmon have color vision similar to that of humans. They can distinguish complementary colors and up to 24 spectral hues. Other studies have shown that brown trout are capable of sharply focusing on near and far objects at the same time and that they can clearly see different colors at different distances.

But light behaves differently in water than it does in air. The various colors of light travel at different wavelengths. The longest wavelengths are the reds, followed by oranges, yellows, greens, blues, indigos, and violets. When light travels through water, some of its energy is absorped, and the longest wavelengths are the ones absorbed first. Thus, the warmer colors fade out and gradually appear black as light penetrates the water column. Red light is almost completely absorbed within the first 15-20 feet. Orange penetrates to 30-40 feet, and yellow to 60-70 feet, while green and blue remain visible for as deep as the light penetrates.

The total amount of light also decreases with depth. At 50 feet, a yellow lure will still appear yellow, but will not appear as bright as it did at 20 feet. While red may be visible down to 15 feet in the clear water of open Lake Michigan, it may disappear within six inches of the surface in the turbid Fox River. At depths where it is nearly dark, a white or silver lure would show up better than a blue or green lure against a blue-green background of water. Products that are designed to reflect any light that strikes them, like Prism-lite, also make lures more visible.

Commercial fishermen have experimented with this principle in reverse, using it to make their nets less visible. Nets for use in very deep water have been dyed blue or green so they would blend into the background color of the water. Perch fishermen in southern Green Bay have experimented with dying their nets red, presumably because red fades out first in these shallow turbid waters.

Total light intensity is also important. On a cloudy day, colors will not penetrate as deep as they will on a sunny day. At dusk, as light intensity falls, reds are the first color to go, followed by orange, yellow, green, and blue. As total light intensity decreases, the fish's eye switches to vision with rods, and the fish is no longer able to distinguish colors. After dark, fishermen should choose between a light lure or dark one. At dawn, as light intensity increases and fish switch back to cone vision, the order is reversed, and blues, greens, yellows, oranges, and reds appear. At early dawn, some anglers are successful with a red J-lug near the surface. To fish striking from below, it shows up as a dark lure against the lightening sky. As the day gets lighter, red no longer works well, and anglers must experiment with more visible colors.
 

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billy, the book i just read (the fisherman's ocean, by david ross phd, woods hole) had this to say:

red fades first. by 15ft deep red looks black, and colors continue to black out by wavelength (long-short). the last color to go is chartreuse (explains the b2 squids) at about 80ft deep.

another interesting thing i read there is that some fish have "nightvision". at sundown their eyes readjust and only the rods (or b/w sensors) are used. this gives them very good b/w vision at night, when color doesn't matter as much. he goes on to say that some fish like herring take up to an hour to readjust. during this time their vision is lessened, while some fish like striped bass, can adjust more quickly, and use dusk/dawn to take advantage of the slower switching fish. perhaps this helps to explain the old superstition "dont shine lights on the water. spooks the fish"

anyone know anything more about this "night vision"?
 

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The only thing I did know was that Red faded first. Anyone care to explain coral reef & bottomfish on them are such vibrant colors?

If Red fades first, which is pretty much agreed upon - then what's the deal with the Pink/Red Beads on the the Fluke rigs? Sort of contradictory, no? Same deal with Red pork strips for Bass? Maybe these are designed for shallow water fishing only?
 

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Hi,

Can't remember where but I thinkl I read somewheres that fish see shades not the actual color. Kinda like a type of color blindness. Maybe someone can add to or negate that idea.

I picked up a book, What Fish See by Colin J. Kageyama, O.D., F.C.O.V.D.

Some day I hope to read it.
 

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Pollack Fishing, Many Years Ago

Ok, I'm fishing off the deep parts of the Pinnacle (75 - 90'), near Block Is., about 20 years ago. My buddy, Jack, and I were using Ava's w/dk green tubes because I had believed, from what I had read, that fish saw only the shapes after 75-80'. One boat was bailing double and triple headers during every drift. We proceeded to produce squat. When I observed the other angler's red tubes, I quickly did like in Rome and tied on the red tubes. Bingo!!! It was Fish City. The day was a sunny Summer one and, therefore, I figured that because of the day's brightness the pollack were able to discriminate the red tube colors under those conditions. Other boats which continued to drift jig tubes other than red ones continued to go fishless.
 

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Using Red

Well billy I think the fish see shadows at greater Depths. I used to use Red jelly worms for cod and pollack and had great sucess in 240 ft. on the doria!So Red has a use even though it fades. I bet matching the color to the bait in the area you fish is the most important thing to relate to with colors!
 

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Billy,
Its my understanding that red simply appears as black when you get past the point where red light penetrates. As for reefs, the ones I've dove on had plenty of light well down past 30 feet, and I could see red down that far, though it wasn't as vivid as it was on the surface.
 
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