[KILSONG]

I got a disturbing post by nycguy who questions me about my moderatorship while I open my a new jigging and popping shop.
I got so many e-mail/pm asking many questions regarding jigging and popping and I tried to reply them as much as possilbe. As I posted before I got the idea to open an jigging and popping shop as there is no single shop to provide jigging and popping tackles in one place from fluke to tuna while driving alone from a NC trip. I thought it was a good idea as a retirement plan and still provide tackles and information who needed.
I sought advices from many different sources and all backed my plan.

I thought a moderatorship of Noreat could be a problem, but I dismissed the idea because I know myself and I can be neutral.
But nycguy raised questions about conflict of interest on the thread deleted. I did not delete the thread and one of our moderators deleted for me.
He questioned again on Accurate thread. He never posted on my jigging and popping forum before he questioned my moderatorship.
On the deleted thread, I told clearly I would resign from moderatorship if members think it is not appropirate to be a moderator and a shop owner.
So, I'd like to listen from other members how you think.
If many member thinks I should resign, it will be a good excuse to explain George why I should resign. I really need time to concentrate on new shop as it becomes pretty busy already.

here what nycguy posted on Accurate ( I have no clue why he posted there) and relies.

To all other moderators, please don't delete this thread unless it get really ugly.

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nyc230posted,

I let you know when I get new 665 two-speed reels.

I've had several of my postings deleted so before I say anything let me say that I truly have no axe to grind with Mr. Kilsong or any of the moderators of this board or site for that matter.

however it does bother me that there are many sponsors who (pay) to advertise on this site and for kilsong to moderate a forum where someone asks when the new accurate reel is comming out and a "dealer" slash "moderator" quickly replies I'll let you know......its just plain wrong and unfair to the dozens of tackle shops that support this site through paid advertisment .

Please dont delete this if its really no big deal and you think its ok. let my posting stand. A deletion to me will justify my believe.

Kilsong your a nice man and Im sure you know more about jigging style fishing than most on this site, but what your doing is wrong friend.

Where one hat

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uncleruss posted

mcguy230:I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Kil has consistently reported problems he has encountered with this very reel--in fact, I would say he is second only to me in his complaints about it. I suppose there is an apparent conflict of interest in any dealer who offers opinions, however, I have found in dealing with people like Kil, Randy (at Anglers Pro Shop) and TJ and company (at OTI), I have never failed to get good advice--although I have never dealt with Kil directly, the other two have almost literally refused to sell me products they thought were not appropriate--and Kil has given me and other novices outstanding advice.

There would be no profit to a dealer at this level in misrepresenting the truth--too many experts to call B.S. on their opinions if wrong.

Russ

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nycguy230 posted
uncleruss,

I have no problem with the reporting aspects of his postings.Hey if you dont like something, fine, tell everybody your OPINION. Nothing wrong with that. I own one accurate reel an 870 2 speed works perfect however I seabass fish with it ! But I have no loyalty to accurate nor am I a tackle dealer.....so who cares.

the obvious (at least to me) issue here is the conflict of issue.

NOT to the MEMBERS !

To The TACKLE SHOP SPONSORS !........

On a personal level to me it means nada its just an observation

Now if he starts dealing in comercial real estate we have a problem ! LOL

Peace out


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kilsong posted

I don't know you and I really don't understand your problem. You never post any single post about jigging and popping before. Are you a sponsor of this site and do you think really my shop will cause other sponsored shops in trouble ? I believe my generating of interest in jigging and popping help other shops to sell more jigging and popping products. Did you see that one tackle shop in Flushing ordered over 900 bucktails after he read my success of the bucktails for fluke recently ?
My shop is also a sponsor of Norest.com and they are making an ad design for me now.

I did not delete your post and I wish the thread to stay there as I want to hear how others think. I politely gave my answers on your thread. I even said I would resign if my moderatorship/my shop cause any problems to others.

This is your last post on this thread as your posting is nothing to do with Accurate. If you want to express your opinion again, please make antoher thread. It will be a big adverisement for my shop as I didn't post about my shop much here because I tried not to as a moderator here. Please do so.

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Kilsong posted

By the way, I become an Accurate dealer too. Should I say only good things about Accurate ? Whether I am a dealer or not, I am going to say good things and bad things as I have been.
One one tackle company approached me to be a sponsor of their products, but they withdraw their offer after I said I can not say only good things about their products.

This post edited by KILSONG 07:49 PM 09/17/2008

 

[obtuseangler]

Don't change a thing kil and please stay on as moderator of jigging and popping. You alway tell it the way you see it, in a diplomatic way. Having a shop doesn't change that at all.

Nobody else can contribute here the way you do.

I don't know what this guys agenda is and it doesn't really matter.

JMHO

 

[shebeen]

Either you have it or you don't.

Over and over again I believe that you've proven to us that you have it.....in spades.

Integrity

End of story.

 

[Plumber60]

Hi Kil,
You have been very clear cut about not discussing your shop on the site. In the age of the internet, we'd all have found it anyway

I have only met you once, and you truly are a gentleman, who happens to have world wide fishing experience. Both of those features are evident in the way you moderate your part of Noreast.
So please, don't quit! We've had enough changes recently, let's try to keep a good site on track, despite the one or two negative people who post here.

 

[codmaster]

Kil!

I can't see any conflict - as long as everyone knows you are now a dealer (and they do!).

Not to mention that in our meetings and discussions you have proven to be one of the kindest, most honest men I have had the pleasure of knowing!

NO PROBLEM with you being a moderator!!!!!

 

[elnath]

Kil
Don't hesitate to stay on as moderator! You are a wealth of information and a true asset to the board and its members.

Just try to ignore the nay sayers....!!!!!!

 

[Captneilf]

I can't believe what i'm reading!

Let me see. We have a rod builder who is a moderator, a party boat owner/operator as a moderator just 2 mention a couple.

What difference does it make if you own a related business and are asked to moderate a forum by Noreast ownership? Mods are only here because George knows they bring hard earned knowledge/experience to the table. Would you rather have mods with absolutely no experience. Choose any profession that is not fishing related and the person has absolutely no knowledge about topics in the Inshore Forum, is that who you want rather than Lep? The same goes for the Jigging Forum! Kilsong please ignore all that garbage. There will always be one or two people that can not be satisfied.

Neil

 

[Hunt n' Fish]

Kil,

I am the moderator that deleted that original post a few weeks ago. And had I seen it posted again, I would have. You've asked to allow this discussion to play out, and I will honor that request on your board here. You don't have to explain yourself to this anonymous person, who has not been a contributor to your board, and is operating under the altruistic guise of worrying about our advertisers. I question anyone's motives that crawls out of the woodwork, after having little interaction on the site, and decides to question those members/moderators here that have contributed so much of their time and knowledge to making this site as great a place as it is.

You have established yourself here as a jigging afficionado and Noreast is very lucky to have you. Because you have branched out and decided to deal in the tackle that you specialize in does not at all have to conflict with your contributions here.

As the replies above have already stated, you belong here, and there is no percieved conflict of interest at all by anyone at Noreast, about your participation on the site, and your outside business ventures.

Chris

 

[togilator]

Kil although I probably have not posted in your forum,I have read a lot of good advice here by you and others that join in.

You have share a tremedous amount of information with every body here and are always willing to help a novice.

Your doing a dam good Job!
Keep up the great work.

I almost forgot this forum introduced me to Ken Swell Rider,enjoyed a nice 2 days of fishing with him on labor day weekend.Thanks for the info.

 

[SwellRider]

Most guy's on this site and alot of the other fishing sites only know of Kil through his post's and Pictures. I've been fortunate to know Kil personally for many years and have fished with him both on Long Island when I was a mate and now in North Carolina were I own and operate my Charter Business. Kil is nothing more than a true gentleman who is and has alway been nothing but a great representitive for the fishing community. He's always willing to share information with those who may need it. Do I think there will be a conflict, NO! not with Kil, he only wants to promote the style of fishing that he has a true passion for. Kil told me about his Idea for the shop when he was down in NC fishing this spring I thought it was a great Idea, will he become compitition for the other shops, yes and no but compitition is good for business. Keeping Kil as a Moderator on this form is in the best interest of Noreast.com if they lose him I think they will lose a large portion of there members. Let Kil moderate this form only!!! He know when to lock or delete a thread and if he wants to talk about his shop, so be it he's a payed sponsor to many guys are worried about what everyone else is doing, WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF!!! Kil you keep doing what your doing it is appreciated. Ken

 

[659927]

To add to my personal opinion about Kil expressed above, I would like to add that if anyone is troubled by what he THINKS may be a conflict of interest, all he has to do is not buy anything. If he feels the need to go public with his feeling--fine--just so long as he doesn't expect me to take it too seriously! Just one opinion.
Keep up the good work.

Russ

 

[Meirowitz]

Kil, the issue of ?conflict of interest? having been raised in this thread, you are certainly aware of its implications. The real issue is whether you feel you can both moderate the jigging and popping forum and run a jigging and popping tackle shop without creating a competitive edge for yourself over other sponsors to this site. If you feel you can do that, and no one can cite a specific instance where you have crossed that line, then it should not be a problem. I don?t believe anyone has yet cited a specific example of your having crossed that line. So, in my view, the issue is moot!

 

[KILSONG]

Thanks for the suport guys. It meant a lot to me.

Dick,
I can cites a lot of instances as I carry items which I like and I recommend items to other members which I like.
I believe other shops will get benefit if I recommend any product to members. See how many metallic sardine jigs, Seven Seas Hooker jigs or Hammered diamond jigs were sold because of my postings.
I am going to try find new products, test them and introduce them through fishing website throughout the country as well as in my shop.
That is what I have been doing and I intend to do it in the future whether I make money or not.

 

[captdeej]

I am a regular reader of this board and do not write often unless I am able to give a reliable answer. These answers come from experience and the ability to speak, what sometimes does not really want to be heard. I am a rigging and gear nut by the way.

I have fished with KIL once, by accident 2 years ago on a bluefin charter, I was chunking and he was jigging lol.

He is a teacher 1st and a veteran jig fisherman, with an open mind to try new things, he is willing to change his opinions for the betterment of the sport and that alone shows his commitment to us the readers of this board. He is also a fishing machine, and honestly has pulled on more fish than most would admit.

The addition of his shop in my opinion will give him and us more exposure in thinking thru the fine details this sport and make us all better all around sportsman, purist fisherman and gear and jigging nuts alike!

Nothing to fix here gentleman the right man is at the helm!

thank you KILSONG

 

[efishnc]

Moderating

All I have to say is if you left us we would all be at a serious loss. So don,t let the small people get to you. Keep up the great work. Bob

 

[mrbill1]

I'm one of those guys that doesn't get intimidated by others. You never have to guess what I'm thinking. I'll tell you up front. You always know where I stand. Here's my thoughts on this thread.

I came to this site just for Kil's comments and knowledge. The only forum I view on Noreast.com is the Jigging and Popping. If Kil left as moderator, I probably wouldn't come back.

I've never had the privilege of meeting Kil. I really don't have to meet him to tell what kind of man is behind the keyboard and pictures. He's a true jigging nut. He lives and dreams of jigging and popping. It's his life. He's never rude and sometimes almost to polite. I've never seen a post on any forum that criticizes his posting and comments. Everybody learns through him and his fishing adventures. Losing him as a moderator would hurt this site.

On the other hand, is being a moderator taking up to much of his time. I don't know if a moderator gets paid, but if they do it's probably about 10 cents per hour. By not being a moderator he could spend more time developing his new shop and fishing. I'd been out the door right after that rude NY real estate salesman jump me.

I don't think it's wrong to be both a moderator and tackle shop owner as long as the other paid sponsors don't complain. If they aren't happy, then I would suggest Kil concentrate on his tackle shop dream and open his own forum. He wouldn't be the first.

 

[capttrav]

Kil I think your doing just fine. You give honest reports both in tackles and fishing and thats all you can do. It's not like your saying "I ccaught these fish on this type of jig and you need to buy it at my shop" I think that Kil being a paid sponsor is enough for him to advertise. His duty as a moderator is to keep things at a level here on the site which he performs well too.
Don't sweat the small stuff Kil and let it run its course, if things get out of hand then reconsider but for now keep things the way they are. Please don't leave the site, because you are a big oart of the site here. As you can see I don't post anywhere but here. There aren't many jigging sites and some of the ones that are out there I don;t like. Noreast is a good site keep up the good work guys.

 

[SwellRider]

This post edited by Hunt n' Fish 10:06 PM 09/17/2008

 

[Tomthebomb]

Kil
Your jigging and popping forum was what originally got me interested and prepared enough to actually catch tuna on jigs the very first time I tried. I would be a sad loss for you and all the knowledge you possess to become unavailable to folks on this site. You really seem like a stand up guy, very professional and always the diplomat. I would very much like to meet you in person someday and to fish with you! I personally have gained lots of knowledge from your forums and would hate to lose such a valuable resource. Hopefully you will stay on as moderator so the once a year wonders like me can live vicariously through you on all your fishing adventures.

Tom

 

[IFISHALOT2]

I second that what TOM said !!!