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Here's Another Reason Obama would make us LESS Safe

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June 19, 2008 -- IN an ABC interview on Monday, Sen. Barack Obama urged us to go back to the era of criminal-justice prosecution of terror suspects, citing the successful efforts to imprison those who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993.

It was key to his attack on the Bush adminstration, which he charged, has "been willing to skirt basic protections that are in our Constitution . . . It is my firm belief that we can crack down on threats against the United States, but we can do so within the constraints of our Constitution. . .

"In previous terrorist attacks - for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center, we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in US prisons, incapacitated."

This is big - because that prosecution, and the ground rules for it, had more to do with our inability to avert 9/11 than any other single factor.

Because we treated the 1993 WTC bombing as simply a crime, our investigation was slow, sluggish and constrained by the need to acquire admissible evidence to convict the terrorists.

As a result, we didn't know that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were responsible for the attack until 1997 - too late for us to grab Osama when Sudan offered to send him to us in 1996. Clinton and National Security Adviser Sandy Berger turned down the offer, saying we had no grounds on which to hold him or to order his kidnapping or death.

Obama's embrace of the post-'93 approach shows a blindness to the key distinction that has kept us safe since 9/11 - the difference between prosecution and protection.

Pre-9/11, the priority was what it had always been - to identify the guilty, gather evidence to convict and punish them by imprisonment.

Post-9/11, the goal changed - now it's to identify and frustrate any and all pending terrorist attacks.

Should the effort to stop the attacks lead to arrests and provide enough admissible evidence to incarcerate or deport those responsible, fine. But gathering intelligence - not court-admissable evidence - lies at the core of the mission.

So when we found Jose Padilla - a terrorist planning to build a dirty bomb and explode it in a populated area - we couldn't prosecute him for his plans. We had the evidence, but it hadn't come to us in a form that made it admissible in a criminal court. So we prosecuted him on lesser charges of aiding terrorists by providing them with funds and supplies - something for which we had sufficient admissible evidence.

Would Obama require all our investigations to be conducted within the procedural framework needed to bring a criminal prosecution? That would slow our anti-terror efforts - fatally.

It has before. Following Obama's logic, Attorney General Janet Reno and her deputy, Jamie Gorelick, ruled that evidence seized in an immigration prosecution couldn't be turned over to intelligence operatives investigating terrorism.

The "Gorelick Wall" barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation.

He was taking flying lessons in Minneapolis at the time, so we wondered what he was up to. But we didn't look at his computer, and find the e-mail addresses and records of fund-transfers to each of the 9/11 hijackers - information that might well have prevented the attacks.

Our constitutional protections are wonderful and shouldn't be abridged on any account. But the protections in the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments relate to prosecution under criminal law.

Intelligence that doesn't lead to prosecution isn't covered. But Obama would cover it anyway. He'd require us all to proceed in the way we had to in the halcyon days after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing - procedures that led us to miss the point of what was going on, to fail to identify the real culprits until it was too late and left us unprepared for future attacks.
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likeitreallyis wrote:
Scott you sure are a credit to your party. The Saudis say hello also ;)

No matter how hard you try, Obama will win NY easily.

Your ranting and raving will be better served down south where, well they don't like his kind too much..

but keep trying it's getting almost amusing now.

I'm not trying to do anything more than providing information.

Obama will absolutely win New York in a landslide. No argument there. Who ever suggested otherwise?

Once again you ignore the substance of the issue posted and go right into your "party" BS. I didn't post this to rant and rave (I actually didn't type a word of it).

Are we not supposed to question the judgement of a man who proposes the same "law enforcement" tactics on terrorism that were found to be ineffective in the past? And if we do, is it only because of "party"? Maybe you are asleep!

As for me, whenever anyone, from any party, proposes something that I feel will be detrimental to this country, I intend to speak up about it. At least until they take that right away too!
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Meirowitz wrote:
I'm not about to get in the middle of a political debate, but Obama has very strong legal credentials, having served as the president (Editor-in-Chief) of the Harvard Law Review. His wife is also a Harvard Law School graduate. Nothing is absolute, but I think he can be trusted to make well-advised legal decisions on issues such as this. JMHO.

Times Article
Sorry Dick, but if we leave the war against the terrorists who want to do us harm to the lawyers, we're screwed!:(
likeitreallyis wrote:
It's easy to dig up one sided articles written by respective party members on both sides.. they are opinions and scare tactics and lack substance is why I object to this type of posting.
LOL!! Yes! Object to the opinion of a man who spent years working int he Clinton White House as to one of the major mistakes made during that administration and the fact that, in his OWN QUOTED WORDS, Obama is suggesting the same.

What exactly is it you object to Bob? Someone expressing their opinion, or someone being held accountable for something they say?:confused:
Meirowitz wrote:
Like I said, I'm not going to debate this, but Obama is a guy with very strong legal credentials, and I do not think it fair, or appropriate, to suggest or characterize him as having "no common sense."

So you think it is better to deal with terrorists by arresting them and letting the legal system do its' thing on them (over a course of years) than letting our intelligence services and military do THEIR thing on them?
Meirowitz wrote:
Scott, if I had to choose between a guy with no legal acumen and a guy who has a distinguished legal track record to make a decision on this kind of issue, all else remaining equal, I'd go with the guy with the credentials.

So, this is a war to be fought in the courtroom. Gotcha!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Meirowitz wrote:
Scott1280 wrote:
So, this is a war to be fought in the courtroom. Gotcha!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Now your baiting me, Scott, and I'm not going to let you do that.
Let's just say this is a very complex issue involving a lot of legal and non-legal considerations that neither you nor I are aware of.

Go fishing!

We did!


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claw1 wrote:
Do you want your President going to a church that preaches Racism , supports racial divisions ? That preaches "God Damm America " ?
Obama heard that stuff for TWENTY YEARS and NEVER SPOKE up , UNTIL he was FINALLY EXPOSED !!!! Yes I will repeat the TRUTH over and over again !
Come-on Claw!
Give it up!! Obama can spend 20 years in a Pew listening to Wright and it means NOTHING!!! But if the vice president spends 2 hours in a meeting with Oil Company executives discussing energy strategies it means EVERYTHING!!!
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