Half day fishing trips on Party boats
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raekwon wrote:
No. Because then you would be over the limit. End of thread.
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No. Because then you would be over the limit. End of thread.
Correct.
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Depends, did you go home and put your fish in the fridge before returning to the dock with an empty cooler?
Is your spouse now in possession of those fish?
These are possession limits, not catch limits.
If you are never in possession of more than 4 fluke, you are never over the limit.
So, enjoy the afternoon trip
Another option is to take a homeless person fishing. Put him in the cabin with a sixpack and catch his limit too. If the DEC checks your cooler, those fish belong to your new best friend until they leave.
So many ways to skin a cat, so little time.
This post edited by obtuseangler 06:38 AM 04/04/2008
Is your spouse now in possession of those fish?
These are possession limits, not catch limits.
If you are never in possession of more than 4 fluke, you are never over the limit.
So, enjoy the afternoon trip
Another option is to take a homeless person fishing. Put him in the cabin with a sixpack and catch his limit too. If the DEC checks your cooler, those fish belong to your new best friend until they leave.
So many ways to skin a cat, so little time.
This post edited by obtuseangler 06:38 AM 04/04/2008
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I think you're playing with fire by going home getting rid of the fish and coming back, wonder how that argument would stand up if there was undercover DEC on the boat....
Not me, not worth the risk...
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Not me, not worth the risk...
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ctwhitechin wrote:
I think you're playing with fire by going home getting rid of the fish and coming back, wonder how that argument would stand up if there was undercover DEC on the boat....
Not me, not worth the risk...
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The risk is very low and the fine is very affordable in the unlikely event that you are caught.
Paul,
So are you saying fish I give away are still in my possession? Or that I am not allowed to give away my property?
Interesting legal theory.
This post edited by obtuseangler 08:53 AM 04/04/2008
I think you're playing with fire by going home getting rid of the fish and coming back, wonder how that argument would stand up if there was undercover DEC on the boat....
Not me, not worth the risk...
The risk is very low and the fine is very affordable in the unlikely event that you are caught.
Paul,
So are you saying fish I give away are still in my possession? Or that I am not allowed to give away my property?
Interesting legal theory.
This post edited by obtuseangler 08:53 AM 04/04/2008
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Obtusangler I know its not right, but I like the way you think, I have a few friends that don't eat fish but enjoy fishing looks like they will be my new best friends this season.
I do have a question though, do those undercover DEC agents have to pay the same fair I do if I take the morning and afternoon trips???
I do have a question though, do those undercover DEC agents have to pay the same fair I do if I take the morning and afternoon trips???
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Obtuse,
Each angler is allowed to land one limit of fish per day, per trip. That's the law. You can give them away, but you can't land anymore that day.
What I am saying is that the secenarios that you described are against the rules of the NY DEC. Interesting legal theory or not, anything the DEC Commissioner passes, or that is written in the Environmental Law, stands, and is only reversible by the NY State legislature. I don't stop people from sharing catches on my boats, and most owners wouldn't stop a client from coming back in the afternoon after making a limit trip in the morning. An ECO may not even bother w/ the infraction. But, it is a law, and people, whether they want to do it or not, must realize that they are in fact violating laws.
It seems inocuous that someone can land a limit on a morning trip, get rid of the catch and go back for a limit in the afternoon. Does it seem OK if a guy in a private boat goes out, catches a limit of stripers, brings them back to hi house, doers it again, brings them to his neighbors house, does it again(Do I need t continue?). The fact is, the landings projections are based on each angler's possible success at the given regs. So when co-mingling is allowed, it becomes easier for more anglers to realize their limit, and that would require an adjustment of the regs.
I love the way people get into semantical and wording debates here, but when the real world event comes around, they either dump their catch when they see the ECOs coming, or sit there w/ their mouth shut when they realize that the ECOs aren't interested in hearing what Jonny Cochran has to say. You'll also find the judges that sit at these hearings are equally disinterested in consittutional-level arguements. If you want to feel right, then you are right. As long as everyone else understands that it is illegal, have your fun.
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Each angler is allowed to land one limit of fish per day, per trip. That's the law. You can give them away, but you can't land anymore that day.
What I am saying is that the secenarios that you described are against the rules of the NY DEC. Interesting legal theory or not, anything the DEC Commissioner passes, or that is written in the Environmental Law, stands, and is only reversible by the NY State legislature. I don't stop people from sharing catches on my boats, and most owners wouldn't stop a client from coming back in the afternoon after making a limit trip in the morning. An ECO may not even bother w/ the infraction. But, it is a law, and people, whether they want to do it or not, must realize that they are in fact violating laws.
It seems inocuous that someone can land a limit on a morning trip, get rid of the catch and go back for a limit in the afternoon. Does it seem OK if a guy in a private boat goes out, catches a limit of stripers, brings them back to hi house, doers it again, brings them to his neighbors house, does it again(Do I need t continue?). The fact is, the landings projections are based on each angler's possible success at the given regs. So when co-mingling is allowed, it becomes easier for more anglers to realize their limit, and that would require an adjustment of the regs.
I love the way people get into semantical and wording debates here, but when the real world event comes around, they either dump their catch when they see the ECOs coming, or sit there w/ their mouth shut when they realize that the ECOs aren't interested in hearing what Jonny Cochran has to say. You'll also find the judges that sit at these hearings are equally disinterested in consittutional-level arguements. If you want to feel right, then you are right. As long as everyone else understands that it is illegal, have your fun.
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What if you get off the party boat in captree after catching your limit (winning mega millions might be easier) and than drive to NJ and jump on a party boat leaving in the late afternoon!
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Not may be against the regs, it is. Plain and simple. All the rhetoric you can spout here will not change that, and if you want it changed legally, as I mentioned before, get ready for even stricter regs. Just like catch-and-release out of season. If you want to do that, get ready to pay for the incrfeased release mortality in either stricter bag, season, or size restrictions.
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ctwhitechin wrote:
I think you're playing with fire by going home getting rid of the fish and coming back, wonder how that argument would stand up if there was undercover DEC on the boat....
Not me, not worth the risk...
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you may go home and come back to the dock too late and miss the boat all together.....why not just go again the next day...
is it per day or is it per 24 hours? now thats a good question......
I think you're playing with fire by going home getting rid of the fish and coming back, wonder how that argument would stand up if there was undercover DEC on the boat....
Not me, not worth the risk...
you may go home and come back to the dock too late and miss the boat all together.....why not just go again the next day...
is it per day or is it per 24 hours? now thats a good question......
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It's not measured in a 24 hour period, it's a calander day. I would imagine that if you depart before 12 AM on a day, finsih the trip, then start another trip during that calander day, you are in the grey area. If the trip terminates during that day, I would say you are in violation. If it terminates the following calander day, you still may be in violation, but again, it is probably up to the ECO to decide.
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Geez, this is getting bizarre.
What if aliens beamed your fish out of your cooler to Alpha Centauri, would you be able to catch more?
What if Godzilla came up and ate all your fish, could you catch more?
If a keeper falles in the cooler and nobody hears it, did it really exist?
Paul you have the patience of a saint, sorry to hear about the boat but, best days are the day you buy one and the day you sell one.
What if aliens beamed your fish out of your cooler to Alpha Centauri, would you be able to catch more?
What if Godzilla came up and ate all your fish, could you catch more?
If a keeper falles in the cooler and nobody hears it, did it really exist?
Paul you have the patience of a saint, sorry to hear about the boat but, best days are the day you buy one and the day you sell one.
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What if ?
A person with a split personality gets on board,
pays TWO fares,
one for each of his personalities.
Is he entitled to a limit for each personality ?
This post edited by HungryJack 08:46 PM 04/04/2008
A person with a split personality gets on board,
pays TWO fares,
one for each of his personalities.
Is he entitled to a limit for each personality ?
This post edited by HungryJack 08:46 PM 04/04/2008
The Regs Are Sick !
How long will it be before the DEC tells me the following ?
What to eat in the morning ?
May I leave work ?
I am not sure I would go thru the effort to drive home unload the fish and drive back BUT I am sure there are more than a few of you that would SO STOP ACTING SO RIGHTOUS. I have been on Noreast now going on 5 years I believe and the ONE thing I am getting sick of is ALL THE DEC OFFICER/MEMBERS on this site. It is one thing to be Politically Correct and NOT go against the TOS of this site BUT to kiss the ARSES OF ALL THE APOLOGISTS ON HERE is makeing me PUKE
How long will it be before the DEC tells me the following ?
What to eat in the morning ?
May I leave work ?
I am not sure I would go thru the effort to drive home unload the fish and drive back BUT I am sure there are more than a few of you that would SO STOP ACTING SO RIGHTOUS. I have been on Noreast now going on 5 years I believe and the ONE thing I am getting sick of is ALL THE DEC OFFICER/MEMBERS on this site. It is one thing to be Politically Correct and NOT go against the TOS of this site BUT to kiss the ARSES OF ALL THE APOLOGISTS ON HERE is makeing me PUKE
Wow!! never thought I get all this. HJ Great!!!
So my plan for catching 10 snappers before the boat leaves, limiting out on 2 half day fluke trips and then catching a 7pm night blue fishing trip is out of the question!!! Then again keeping live snappers on the boat, will that get me involved with the problem of the live market. I could catch 5 snappers in the am before the boat leaves, Then get the rest from noon to one but i would really rather switch boats during that time, so i dont look to suspicious like I am up to something.
I got cabin fever real bad!!!!
So my plan for catching 10 snappers before the boat leaves, limiting out on 2 half day fluke trips and then catching a 7pm night blue fishing trip is out of the question!!! Then again keeping live snappers on the boat, will that get me involved with the problem of the live market. I could catch 5 snappers in the am before the boat leaves, Then get the rest from noon to one but i would really rather switch boats during that time, so i dont look to suspicious like I am up to something.
I got cabin fever real bad!!!!
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