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Haddock! Haddock!

Two impressive tows of haddock were brought onboard the NOAA FRV Albatross IV along the northern edge of Georges Bank, near the Hague line. Station 236 captured 2,822 individuals weighing 4,920 lbs and station 239 had 3,356 individuals weighing 6,293 lbs. The majority of these haddock were in the 17 to 19 inch range and likely were representatives of the very strong 2003 year class.

An Interesting Yellowtail Observation

Tows in the southern portion of Closed Area II captured more yellowtail flounder than previous fall surveys. The two largest tows occurred at stations 211 and 210, which yielded 491 and 250 individuals respectively. It will be interesting to see how this year?s catch compares statistically with previous years.

Big Catches of Little Windowpane

Small windowpane flounder (1,393 individuals measuring two inches or less) were noticeably abundant at several stations during the third leg. Most of these were on the southern side of the Georges Bank shoals. This is the largest number of small windowpane flounder on a fall bottom trawl survey to date. The second largest number occurred on the 1985 fall bottom trawl survey when 884 individuals measuring two inches or less were encountered; the majority of these were also on the southern side of Georges Bank shoals.

Spiny Dogfish Record Tow

After the standard bottom trawl survey work was completed on October 31, 2007 (during leg V), additional trawls were deployed where the vessel repeated a series of three twenty minute tows along the same track line in as short a time frame as possible to see what effect these tows would have on the total catch (did each tow?s successive catch become smaller?). While towing just north of Provincetown, MA, one day after hurricane Noel passed through, we brought aboard the largest catch of spiny dogs that I had ever seen. With great effort, the net was brought aboard and 90 minutes later, over 26,000 pounds of dogfish (7,261 individuals) had been processed. We left the area without completing the two other planned tows!

http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/femad/ecosurvey/mainpage/rsr/fbts/fbts_2007/large_file.pdf

You think it might be time to open up Commercial Dogging?? The largest set of Dogs? The treehuggers will come up with some reason not too! REMEMBER THAT WAS A 20 MINUTE TOW.

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We left the area without completing the two other planned tows!

Why? Don't like to see all those big female dogs proving your management is BS. I have been on those cruises when we hit big tows of dogfish. They just do a sub sample anyway. It's not like the work up all the fish. Why not make the tow? Is this science or isn't it?

Thanks for the post AUDREYMAE.
 

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It's not "science" anymore...

it's now "advocacy science," as institutionalized by the American Fisheries Society (Google "American fisheries society advocacy"). The days of objective science, at least in fisheries, are long gone and, as a quick review of any of the Pew-supported "research" readily demonstrates, subjectivity is what it's all about. That means that you can torque the research to further your agenda.

Comforting, isn't it?
 

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Sorry folks but someone needs to do something about all of these DOGS. I know that alot of you guys don't like to kill things for the sake of killing. I feel the same way but I can't imagine how many pounds of fluke, flounder, cod, etc.. a school of dogfish most consume.


7,000 Dogfish in 90 minutes. By Noaa only doing 1 tow perhaps they will begin to realize just how silly some of these Environmentalist are.
 

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Also Monkfish Stocks

The latest data on Monkfish is thru the roof and they realize they screwed up and overfishing has not happened. They've been taken at all depths at all locations. But before they open it back up we have to have another 2 millon dollar grant study to be sure.. These grant dudes have this down to a science. Give me 2 mill and i'll screw up and give you real bad data and then give me 2 more mill and i'll give you the right data then 2 more mill and I think we'll nail the problem and be able to let the fisherman back monking. Even though it's the cleanest fishery using 12 inch mesh there's literally zero bycatch.!!

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AUDREYMAE wrote:

Spiny Dogfish Record Tow

After the standard bottom trawl survey work was completed on October 31, 2007 (during leg V), additional trawls were deployed where the vessel repeated a series of three twenty minute tows along the same track line in as short a time frame as possible to see what effect these tows would have on the total catch (did each tow?s successive catch become smaller?). While towing just north of Provincetown, MA, one day after hurricane Noel passed through, we brought aboard the largest catch of spiny dogs that I had ever seen. With great effort, the net was brought aboard and 90 minutes later, over 26,000 pounds of dogfish (7,261 individuals) had been processed. We left the area without completing the two other planned tows!



It makes me sick to my stomach to read that and then know that NMFS continues to stick up for the 'poor dogfish'. :mad::mad::mad:

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We left the area without completing the two other planned tows!

Why? Don't like to see all those big female dogs proving your management is BS. I have been on those cruises when we hit big tows of dogfish. They just do a sub sample anyway. It's not like the work up all the fish. Why not make the tow? Is this science or isn't it?

Thanks for the post AUDREYMAE.

Good call, wateraye
 

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Basically closed!!

We went from no limit to 3280 lbs to 1490 lbs and our days monking taking away from 40 down South to 12 days.. Close enough to closed. They've made it so its not profitable to head South!!
 

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With great effort, the net was brought aboard and 90 minutes later, over 26,000 pounds of dogfish (7,261 individuals) had been processed.

Commfish, what they mean when they say processed is not cut for market, but sexed, weighed, dissected and if requested biological samples taken.

When they get a big tow of Dogs scientists do a subsample. They will pull out X amount of the catch and use that to quantify the remainder which gets dumped back over. The fish in the sub sample will be sorted by sex and weighed. Some of the sub sampled fish will be dissected and examined as far as food in the stomach; species and percentage (predator/prey relationships)and the gonads will also be examined to determine state of sexual maturity.
 

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They only measure a small % of the dogs..

When we use to net dogs in N.C. 3 of us would unload 20,000 lbs in 45 minutes on to a conveyour! If I did it today 18 years later i'd need a stretcher to get me back home!LOL
 

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watereye wrote:
Why? Don't like to see all those big female dogs proving your management is BS. I have been on those cruises when we hit big tows of dogfish. They just do a sub sample anyway. It's not like the work up all the fish. Why not make the tow? Is this science or isn't it?


Objectivity would mean they would have to make 2 more tows, fill the bag again, sort again and measure again. Too much work i guess :rolleyes:

Good science should be based on data NOT assumptions.

Like Nils said, its all subjective!
 

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Just curious, does anybody know, what they actually do to the doggies on a commercial trip. Are the landed eviscerated or uncut? I was under the impression that they just packed them away, but now I'm not so sure.
 

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Just thrown in the bins and unloaded no cutting or gutting.. The processors take them whole and the fins go one place the belly flaps another and the meat another place. Smooth Dogs have to be cut!! The last 4 years That we were allowed to dog we got a little smarter and had "15" 1200 lb Vats on board and would just hook the Vats up and lift them and they'd send 15 Vats back.. It made it alot easier on the back not having to throw the dogs onto a conveour!

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Mike, Here in NY the spiny dogs were just deck loaded and then thrown in cardboard vats (tuna/tile fish vats)back at the dock. As Audremae points out smooth dogs are headed and gutted. Spinys get about $.13/# and smooths get aboput $.50/#. The only way to make money on the spiny dogfish is to work in volume and that hasn't been allowed in many years.

I was on a dragger this summer working on the fluke discard mortality study. We made a tow along the East Hampton beaches and had bag full of horn dogs (not good for fluke discard survival). The next day I'm sitting on the beach w/ the family and low and behold here comes the NOAA R/V. I hope they hit the dogs as we did because they were mostly all big females.

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im still guessing how they were done processing and\or measuring, counting( what ever they do) in 90 minutes. 7 thousand dogs is a lot of dogs to be pulling apart from eachother when theyre in the pile

They have more hands at work then the typical commercial operation. Not only do they have four fishermen on each watch but they also have six scientists per watch. Many hands make light work.
 
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