[621146]

Keeping Makos ( 150lb minimum)

I believe and practice catch and release but how do you feel about the longliners that kill all types of sharks for there fins. It makes me think about keeping even a hundred pound mako sometimes . At least we eat the fish. Fished last week at the towers, alot of big blue sharks and bluefish. Maybee this weekend.
Tight Lines
Anthony

 

[buckley]

Release the big mamas!

This may go against the grain, but I believe in releasing larger makos, and keeping anything in the 100-150 lb. range.

Breeding females are generally 400 lbs.+ and should never be killed (not even for tournaments.

Younger makos taste better than their large counterparts, and have a higher natural mortality rate, even without the rod and reel fisherman.

I know I'm going to hear from those who will say, "how are we ever going to have large makos, if we keep killing the younger ones?", but I think it's a survival of the fittest game out there, and I will counter with "how are we ever going to have younger makos, if we keep killing the breeding stock?"

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

[togmaster]

not bad

Not a bad idea but you try telling the guy who has a 400+ lbs mako to release him? Get the drift!

 

[buckley]

Quick release!

Fortunately, most Long Island sharkers are not up to a battle with a 400 lb. mako, and most manage to release themselves.

For all of the politically correct out there, if you're embarassed to kill a fish for dinner, stay home. That way you won't even injure a fish.

Nothing gets me more than some prissy pansy teasing trout with a fly rod, and then taking a bow when they release it.
Smoked trout is quite good! They should try it sometime!

 

[Savvy18]

Hipshot,

You make an excellent point. Most guys
out in those big sport fishing rigs
have big pockets as well and could care less about the expense of a day offshore
fishing. However think of it this way.
Those same guys that have those big rigs will be able to chase the makos
regardless of where they are because they have the resources and the range
to do so. Us little guys depend more on the smaller mako that may come wandering inshore a bit to provide us with some "shark action." The last two
mako's I have seen were in the Mud Buoy
area! We were bluefishing and got lucky. Because these fish are abundant these days we can expect that to continue. If everyone decides to take
mako's for the table, eventually we will see less and less of them inshore. Let's not be greedy. We have plenty of
tasty fish to eat already. Flounder,
fluke, sea bass, tog, weakfish, etc. Think beyond what will be on your plate tonight. What will your children and grandchildren put on their plates are what we should be concerned about.
Thanks...

 

[albieonthefly]

buckley - Good ignorance example

Buckley wrote:

"For all of the politically correct out there, if you're embarassed to kill a fish for dinner, stay home. That way you won't even injure a fish. "

Its not about being politically correct, its about conserving marine fish and promoting their long-term sustainability.

If we all took our fish home for dinner there would be nothing left to catch tomorrow.

However, this would not a problem for people like you who kill fish to eat them. You would move on to fishing for Skates and Sea robins once the game fish are gone.

It would only affect true anglers who do it for the thrill and the sport.

"Nothing gets me more than some prissy pansy teasing trout with a fly rod, and then taking a bow when they release it.
Smoked trout is quite good! They should try it sometime! "

Have you ever had fish on the fly? If you had you would understand why flyrodders spend so much money on gear and guides all over the world to catch fish.

Try catching a false albacore, permit or yellow fin on a fly rod, and we'll see how much of a "prissy pansy" you are Mr. Tough guy.

"The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about. " Wayne Dyer

Good luck!

 

[togmaster]

Savvy18

You?re off base on your Fishing Dude. Most of the fish that have won these tournaments are closer to shore then you think. Most big boys as you put it over run the fish. I personally fish with a so called big boy on a 50' post and has placed in many tourneys. but we didn?t make the big run we fished inshore by Wrecks Structure, and most importantly Bait. Most people get pissed when the Blues show up. Me I get ready because I know the old Point nose may not be far behind. I was with a friend fishing Montauk butterfish hole for Giants when he hooked and landed a 820LBs Mako.Was on the eyewitness news and actually was on the front cover of the Nor east. Don't recall the year. But that?s not far off shore we had 30 foot wood skiff could not run far. So that's the answer to your theory. I don't mean to bash you but there is more to learn then meets the eye!

 

[MakoMike]

Togmaster,
My son was with you the day that Frankie caught that fish, so before anyone else starts wondering I'll vouch for the truth of it.

 

[togmaster]

there is more stroies?

Hey Mako Mike thanks for the reply. Funny but if you know Frankie there were a lot more tails where that came from. every time I fished with him we caught Big fish. Funny he was always in the cabin sleeping while we were on deck working baits. but when the fish was on he shot out like a rocket on his 130's that?s all he fished. Landed many giants fishing with him also. Don?t forget the 454lbs. mako in the 80's won the Hudson?s angler, also just jarred my memory? That was with the 30 mile range also. But like I said guys some sharks are territorial they hang around structure. Threshers are known for this and a big thresher is always my preference for winning a tourney. By the way we fished in a 27? boat named Sea bandit. That?s not that big. A 23? to 25? boat could have done the same. So like I said before don?t always Ass,u,me you have to go far to get the big fish!

 

[Hipshot]

FIRST MAKO

Last year I took 4-5 shark trips, loosing two legal makos. If I managed to land one only one I DON'T THINK I AM KILLING ALL THE FISH IN THE SEA. My crew would like to take home some steaks-EXCUSE ME! I'm not killing off the stock! The small boater is the not the problem-he can't get out that much. If you wan't to talk about conservation- talk about the MACHO big boats who hang their sharks from the rail (gin pole) like Vikings every weekend when thay come back to the dock, like cod out of M<ontauk in the 70's hayday from the rails dooing this every weekend to show off! I don't think if I take 1 100lb mako a year it's going to extinct the species!

 

[Savvy18]

Togmaster,

You obviously did not read my statement
thoroughly (posted 6/6/). I did not
argue that big makos are not found inshore. I also did not argue that big
rigs do not overrun fish. I never argued
that bluefish are only a hassle to shark
fishermen. My main point was that killing smaller makos (under 100 lbs.)
that have not matured spells doom for our future stock of these fish. There
is NO argument that can make that go
away! Sorry, DUDE!

 

[B.Attitude]

No Problem...

On my boat "Bad Attitude" I have just a few rules.One rule is a mako has to be at least 125 lbs. The other rule is only one per trip.I had to argue with a guy I took from work once because he wanted to keep a 25 lb pup. He told me"look at all that meat." Needless to say the pup was released unharmed.Its guys with this mentality that scare me.If he had a boat,that pup would of been in his cooler.There are alot of guys like him.Those are the kind of guys that need to be educated on this matter.We only make about 6-10 shark trips a year,last year only went out two or three times.My crew might only take an average of three makos a season,I don't see a problem with this.When I fish alone inshore I release everything I catch.A mako steak on the grill every now and then don't seem like a bad thing,in fact I can go for one right now.Guys,use your head.
Release a fish every now and then.
paulie

 

[mcfish]

Multiple makos

Paulie--glad to hear about the second rule of one mako per trip, but that's also the law....one pelagic per boat per day.
Mac

 

[seaslug44]

Mcfish is right.

That's the FEDERAL LAW.

 

[B.Attitude]

The Law...

Its also the law of it only having to be 4 1/2 ft long. Whats that about 75-80 lbs?
That part needs to be changed.
paulie

 

[621324]

Sharks

Can anyone tell me where glory hole is or texas tower. Heard people were catching sharks out there. I usually go 25 miles southeast of Block. Thanks

 

[togmaster]

You make an excellent point. Most guys
out in those big sport fishing rigs
have big pockets as well and could care less about the expense of a day offshore
fishing. However think of it this way.
Those same guys that have those big rigs will be able to chase the makos
regardless of where they are because they have the resources and the range
to do so.
I read your post in detail and even reposted your comment here?
Maybe you ment something diffrent but from what it says My statement was correct?
It could be a miss understanding so i'll give you that ?
Maybe I'm wrong but from reading your quote it looks like you keep bashing the big guy? please explain your self better. Maybe then we could understand each other.
There is no problem here everyone is entitled to there opinion just curious as to what you typed then your post back to me ? Tight lines Capt. Mike
http://home.earthlink.net/~steven0010/

 

[bjack]

Jason E

Glory Hole is roughly 39.56N/73.15W
Texas Tower 20 miles east.