[638745]

Hello all,

Wondering if anybody has any experience with dixon's.

I've been in talks with them and am close to having one built.

They are real vague about ride/performance specs and I would love to hear from anybody that has any input.

Im torn between there 42 and 48.
Would you choose the larger boat or the faster boat?
The 42 can cruise at about 20Knts where the 48 at about 16-17knts.
This is with roughly 800hp.

Thanks

This post edited by nycguy230 06:42 PM 09/08/2008

 

[CaptainNick]

Theyre absolute tanks and can fish thru pretty much anything. The 48 is merely a 45 with an extension, whereas the 42 is a 42 out of the mold. Your pretty correct on those numbers. Both 48 Dixons I know have Detroits in that HP range and cruise around 17kts burning about 25gph, give or take.

Personally, I would stick with the 42. The 48 is BIGGGG; which is nice for the most part, but is hard to fish with a small crew and really unnecessary unless your fishing commercially. Also, go with a motor that has a lot of torque and power, like a lugger.

This post edited by CaptainNick 08:36 PM 09/08/2008

 

[clementine]

they're both sweet i'd go with the 48 though just cause it's bigger.
but, if you got the budget, why go with a whimpy glass boat. get a steel boat.
steel is reel

 

[bloodnguts]

clementine wrote:
they're both sweet i'd go with the 48 though just cause it's bigger.
but, if you got the budget, why go with a whimpy glass boat. get a steel boat.
steel is reel




LOL! steel sucks to paint with zinc oxide evry year.....

anyway, the 42 i know of has a 1292 turbo and cruises comfortably at 17 knots......thru any weather.....small schools and buildings as well...(no joke...they hit the dock so hard that the bow went thru a convenience store when a shift cable snapped)

 

[clementine]

This boat is the real deal, with a little remodeling, add some rod holders, bandit reels, a stick, and your set.
it's got the range with a 3000 gallon fuel tank and the 20,000 pound hold will hold your limit of fluke. plus the 2 7000 pound live well will hold all the porgies you want.
not band for 4 and a quarter.

This post edited by MakoMike 07:29 AM 09/09/2008

 

[MakoMike]

Just one word of caution. Since it is not built in the U.S. it cannot be used in U.S. commerce, per the Jones act. So you can never use it as a six-pack or as a commercial fishing boat, in the U.S.

 

[638745]

That boat cruises at 7knts. I dont have 15 hours to get to the canyon and Im not staying 5 days so who needs it.

And I didnt even look at the draft, which Im very limited to,(4ft) and dixon said that they could that.

I really am not looking outside of dixon right now I'm comfortable with them saying they can build the boat in 6 months and know the boat is built right. More of a factory setting than anybody in maine excluding Wesmac which is the the builder I would go with if not dixon.

The wesmacs and dixons are about the same money with comprable finishes and equipment so it comes down to preference.

 

[641482]

There are now probably more Canadian boats under 50ft fishing commercially here than American boats....except for Lobsters.And they can be used for 6 pack as well.The Limitation for their use is they must be add-measured under 5 net tons......which can be accomplished by any boatbuilder for a 45ftx22ft Novi hull that you could have a family of 8 live on, with plenty of parking!!I had always thought that there was a 45ft length limit as well, but this does not appear to be the case, as I have seen several over that length.

 

[MakoMike]

fishnfun2 wrote:
There are now probably more Canadian boats under 50ft fishing commercially here than American boats....except for Lobsters.And they can be used for 6 pack as well.The Limitation for their use is they must be add-measured under 5 net tons......which can be accomplished by any boatbuilder for a 45ftx22ft Novi hull that you could have a family of 8 live on, with plenty of parking!!I had always thought that there was a 45ft length limit as well, but this does not appear to be the case, as I have seen several over that length.

I know there are several exceptions in the Jones act for foreign built boats but I thought that they all required that the boats be U.S. flagged for a relatively long period of time before they enetered into U.S. commerce. Is that incorrect?

 

[38Holla]

The Jones act exception for commercial fishing boats and charter boats is fairly simple.

A commercial fishing boat under certain tonnage and worker amounts can fish as an undocumented vessel as long as it is state registered and carries the appropriate longshoremen insurances. That is why you are seeing so many novi boats in the lobster and inshore scallop business in New England and Southern New Jersey.

A charter boat can apply for a waiver through MARAD and get a complete exception to the rule and be a documented vessel as long as its over 5 net tons, less than 12 passengers and will not be used in cargo, commercial fishing, towing and dredging.
It costs 500.00 for the exception.

 

[tunaorlater]

He's not interested in commercial fishing or chartering so lets keep one thread on this board on track.

I would go with the 42 because I know speed is definatly a factor for you and the 48 isn't really needed for rec. fishing on the days your looking to go. Whats the difference in beam between the wesmac and the dixon? That couild definatly change the way theyride in a head sea.

 

[claw1]

Dixon can and will build those boats under 5 tons , it will qualify for US commercial documentation , get it put in writing , it;s done all the time . They honeycomb the space below the deck , its a documentation gimmick thats been done for years .

 

[MakoMike]

tunaorlater wrote:
He's not interested in commercial fishing or chartering so lets keep one thread on this board on track.


I know that. My point is that if the future usage is limited it can affect the resale value.

 

[clementine]

nycguy230 wrote:
That boat cruises at 7knts. I dont have 15 hours to get to the canyon and Im not staying 5 days so who needs it.

And I didnt even look at the draft, which Im very limited to,(4ft) and dixon said that they could that.

I really am not looking outside of dixon right now I'm comfortable with them saying they can build the boat in 6 months and know the boat is built right. More of a factory setting than anybody in maine excluding Wesmac which is the the builder I would go with if not dixon.

The wesmacs and dixons are about the same money with comprable finishes and equipment so it comes down to preference.
i wasn't really being serious with my comment, and i know that you want the dixon. I agree with tuna though if you're looking for the speed, the 42 is supposed to be a faster boat.

 

[38Holla]

The 45' is the faster of the 2 boats. It carries the weight better and the extra length actually improves performance.

I think the way to go in the DE trend is not faster boats but bigger more weather capable and fuel carrying rigs. The need to fish in less than perfect conditions to lengthen your season has long been an idea of mine. The Dixon, Wesmac and 42Duffy are great examples of big boats that can have a good turn of speed. Take the weather and carry enough fuel so that when you throttle back you can stretch your range greatly.

I think this boat will have 1000 gallons. AT 17kts and 35-40 gallons per hour you could justify the 4-500 gallons or so to run 200 miles. Really big boat tremendous ice storage, comfortable cabin and living quarters.

I have no problem running 10-12 knots. So as NYC230 knows I would have no problem leaving in the middle of the night fishing 2-3 days and coming back at 10-12 knots with maybe 300 gallons burnt total.

When do you want me to go up to NOVI to finish this off already!!

 

[clementine]

38Holla wrote:
The 45' is the faster of the 2 boats. It carries the weight better and the extra length actually improves performance.

I think the way to go in the DE trend is not faster boats but bigger more weather capable and fuel carrying rigs. The need to fish in less than perfect conditions to lengthen your season has long been an idea of mine. The Dixon, Wesmac and 42Duffy are great examples of big boats that can have a good turn of speed. Take the weather and carry enough fuel so that when you throttle back you can stretch your range greatly.

I think this boat will have 1000 gallons. AT 17kts and 35-40 gallons per hour you could justify the 4-500 gallons or so to run 200 miles. Really big boat tremendous ice storage, comfortable cabin and living quarters.

I have no problem running 10-12 knots. So as NYC230 knows I would have no problem leaving in the middle of the night fishing 2-3 days and coming back at 10-12 knots with maybe 300 gallons burnt total.

When do you want me to go up to NOVI to finish this off already!!
i feel the same way as you do john, speed makes no difference to me. i would personally choose the 48 with a smaller engine and chug out there and stay out 4-6 days and burn not too much (comparatively). i guess the extra speed is nice though,(i would know) and in a 45 dixon in any seas you'd have to slow down from 20 kt, you wouldn't want to be tuna fishing in anyways.

 

[CaptainNick]

MakoMike wrote:
Just one word of caution. Since it is not built in the U.S. it cannot be used in U.S. commerce, per the Jones act. So you can never use it as a six-pack or as a commercial fishing boat, in the U.S.
I know 6 Dixons that fish commercially. One is also a 6-pack charterboat.

This post edited by CaptainNick 10:36 PM 09/09/2008

 

[Fish220sr]

My neighbor has a Big Dixson '45 or '48 he set up for lobstering that is for sale..Boat is in Freeport ,NY. Outrageous boat.

 

[MakoMike]

CaptainNick wrote:
MakoMike wrote:
Just one word of caution. Since it is not built in the U.S. it cannot be used in U.S. commerce, per the Jones act. So you can never use it as a six-pack or as a commercial fishing boat, in the U.S.
I know 6 Dixons that fish commercially. One is also a 6-pack charterboat.

There are loopholes that will allow a foreign built vessel to fish commercially or do six-pack charters, but you have to know what they are and do things in certain ways. If he doesn't then the boat may never be able to use one of those loopholes which could impact the potential resale value.

 

[638745]

look at this baby

being delivered this week by dixon

60 x 20 walkaround
twin c32's
37kts


For me this is the ultimate boat period.
sans bridge

What color should we do it in Holla? lol
Maybe red so the plumber in NJ can eat crow?


This post edited by nycguy230 06:12 PM 09/16/2008