[Musella]

What Bizzarro world do you live in? When a car runs over a pothole and gets a flat tire - is the tire now defective? I almost dont believe that you are being serious, that's how outlandish that comment is. Regardless of what the warantee is called, you have to read what the warantee says.
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You are wrong...
This is the legal definition of Material Defect:
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According to 15 USCS § 6602 (4), [Title 15. Commerce and Trade; Chapter 92. Year 2000 Computer Date Change] the term material defect means "a defect in any item, whether tangible or intangible, or in the provision of a service, that substantially prevents the item or service from operating or functioning as designed or according to its specifications. The term "material defect" does not include a defect that--

(A) has an insignificant or de minimis effect on the operation or functioning of an item or computer program;

(B) affects only a component of an item or program that, as a whole, substantially operates or functions as designed; or

(C) has an insignificant or de minimis effect on the efficacy of the service provided."
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Using the legal definition, then yes. A pothole that causes a flat tire caused a defect in the tire. The tire is now defective.
The people who wrote the warranty used the terms wrong.
They intended to mean something like "pre-existing defect in the blank" which under normal use causes the rod to break.
The term Material defect does not imply that there was a problem in the blank that made it easier to break. It means that the rod is now broken and can not be used for the purpose it was intended.
The warranty goes on to say something about it doesn't cover abuse but doesn't describe what is abuse.
I know it sounds silly but the most common way I break a rod is bunker snagging. I now know that is "abuse", but what is needed is an instruction book that talks about the things that are considered abuse. Do you tell your customers not to snag bunker or not to lift fish in?

 

[Billy40]

I know it sounds silly but the most common way I break a rod is bunker snagging. I now know that is "abuse", but what is needed is an instruction book that talks about the things that are considered abuse. Do you tell your customers not to snag bunker or not to lift fish in?

WHat do you know about what is the most common way to break rods is? What research have you done? Have you worked in the warantee department of any rod manufacturer? Do you know that they do not snag bunker in FW lakes, ponds, in the PAcific coast, in Europe?

 

[yourinmyspot]

WHat do you know about what is the most common way to break rods is? What research have you done? Have you worked in the warantee department of any rod manufacturer? Do you know that they do not snag bunker in FW lakes, ponds, in the PAcific coast, in Europe?

I think what he said was it was the most common way HE breaks rods.

 

[Billy40]

Sorry, I didn't see that.

If someone came to me and wanted a rod and told me that, I would absolutely tell them to not snag bunker with a graphite rod, or with a light tipped composite. I have sold a few Seeker Bunker snagging rods on Live Bait blanks. It all depends. Usually when people talk abotu snagging bunker, they use ugly sticks.

 

[secjurny]

For bunkers use a cheap old ugly stick.....u can't go wrong ..."

 

[FishScale]

I've broken my share of rods, lifting fish, setting hooks, car doors etc. All were my fault. And In dealing with the warranty depts of such rods, I've stated it was my fault. There were times, they replaced them for a fee and other times I lucked out and just paid shipping. Regardless of the outcome, I knew going in that I screwed up and would have to face the consequences. Lifting fish is and always will be abuse. Rods are made to catch fish. Nets are made to land them.

The reason why I chimmed in is because of another recent thread regarding Seeker in which it states that Seeker is replacing a rod, on their own accord and out of praise, on a rod that was railed so badly, that the rod actually flattened on the underside and hypalon foregrip was worn through. I know that this is not fact that this was done because you cant always beleive what you read, but if so, how can Seeker reward one person for abusing a rod and not another? If this were the case, YIMS should have ground down the rod and posted pics on how many big fish he caught with it....

Speaking as a parent, rules are put in place for continuity, among other things. Rules are rules though, and once you give in to those rules, you lose those rules. You cant be discretional from one child to the other. So why is this any different? Why is YIMS suffering the consequences when "Peter" is being rewarded? I'd call it bad parenting

He didn't swing the tuna over the rail but at the same time the blank wasn't even broken and yet replaced so go figure...

Tuna privileges son!!

 

[Peterk814]

I've broken my share of rods, lifting fish, setting hooks, car doors etc. All were my fault. And In dealing with the warranty depts of such rods, I've stated it was my fault. There were times, they replaced them for a fee and other times I lucked out and just paid shipping. Regardless of the outcome, I knew going in that I screwed up and would have to face the consequences. Lifting fish is and always will be abuse. Rods are made to catch fish. Nets are made to land them.

The reason why I chimmed in is because of another recent thread regarding Seeker in which it states that Seeker is replacing a rod, on their own accord and out of praise, on a rod that was railed so badly, that the rod actually flattened on the underside and hypalon foregrip was worn through. I know that this is not fact that this was done because you cant always beleive what you read, but if so, how can Seeker reward one person for abusing a rod and not another? If this were the case, YIMS should have ground down the rod and posted pics on how many big fish he caught with it....

Speaking as a parent, rules are put in place for continuity, among other things. Rules are rules though, and once you give in to those rules, you lose those rules. You cant be discretional from one child to the other. So why is this any different? Why is YIMS suffering the consequences when "Peter" is being rewarded? I'd call it bad parenting

I don't think you understand what seeker offered me. They wanted me to ship my rod to them so they could inspect the impact that a lot of large fish had on a blank that is not necessarily made to handle that type of fishing for r&d. Since I am giving up that rod they are sending me a replacement. That was arguably one of the biggest tuna landed on that specific model and shows the durability and quality of seeker.

YIMS obviously high sticked the rod and broke it in the process. If I broke my seeker while high sticking it or using it under the conditions I was using it I wouldn't expect seeker to have replaced it under a defect..

Pay for 75 and go on your way.

 

[saltysurfman]

I deal only with blanks, and rods I build. I've sold well over 500 Inshore Lites since they've come out, there have been 13 of them that have broken or delaminated. Four of those were on fish, the others were when guys spined them, pressed up on the cieling or broke from a car door/etc. Teh de-lams were before they changed the dsign, it was easily "fixed" by wrapping thread over them and epoxying. This is not an ideal situation, but for a guy who has a $300-500 rod it's better for the fisherman and builder to try it and see if it holds up than to have to start all over with a waranteed blank.

I'm confidant based on my direct real world experiance with these blanks, that there is a 1-2% defect/failure rate with the Inshore Lite.

The Inshore heavy I've sold almost 200 of, and not one of these have broken for any reason at all which is pretty crazy. Not even in a car door.

Not to start any trouble, but didn't the inshore lites have a very high breakage rate when they first came out due to manufacturing issues? I believe it was close to 40%, but don't have the source in front of me to reference. Maybe the new design has a 1-2% defect rate?

 

[reelcranky]

Herc. lite.

Hey salty, i have a fist generation hec lite. I have harvested many a nice tog on that blank. Never had AN ISSUE. i HAVE been hung up on a rolling boat it dec. and have swung numerous decent fish with it, and it has held up without any problems. I can only speak from my own fishing experiences with this blank. IT has been very good to me. I am a fan. I also have a modified herc heavy and it is still my go to orient bass rod. Luv both of my billy40 hercs.