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The title of this essay is simply a reflection of what a considerable amount of todays "saltwater sportsmen" believe. I do not. Honestly, Im not sure why bluefish have such a bad reputation these days. For many, they are half a degree higher in rating than dogs, skates, and robins. How often I hear people complaining about "yellow eyed demons"(1 of many stupid names applied to these fish but thats a different essay) and the time, bait and tackle they waste while these "fisherman" try to capture the more "desirable species". Now dont get me wrong, Ive bitched right along with the rest of you when I catch them while bluefin fishing or sharking etc. But its the responses I get when I tell some internet striped bass professional that Im going bluefishing that makes me shake my head.
Not too many moons ago, Blues were king. Bar none, they were KIng. Fluking sucked, bottom fishing was left to the poor folks, and Stripers actually required time and effort to catch and were therefore left to the real pros. Every charter and head boat was railed, day and nite, fishing for Blues. They were the money fish. People loved them. They bit readily, fought like ****, tons of blood and guts(which most fares loved), and good table fare. For those of you who just crinkled your nose and rolled your eyes, you do not know how to take care of them of properly, bleed, fillet and skin those fish. Sorry Striped Bass boys but its true.
Down here by Manasquan, Shark River, and Barnaget every head boat sailed at nite for these fish. Daytime had a large fleet, but you had different boats concentrating on fluke, bottom and blues. But at nite everyboat sailed for them. The owners, captains, and deckhands all made a real nice buck and most fares all went home with smiles. I was a deckhand at nite for 6 years when I was a kid. We made our pay, tips, sold our racks to the crabbers, and filleted and sold every remaining fish to local restaurants. Every boat did this and all involved were happy. People used to line the docks at 5pm for the 730 trip to get a good spot. At 1 am we would have 5-10 people nitely looking to buy fish. If I was motivated I could make quite a few dollars cheeking out the racks or cutting out roe(before they spawned). Those days are gone. Not because of lack of fish but because of perceptions. Today alot of the best known daytime bluefish boats are fluking or Striper fishing. These are boats that built their business up on the backs of these fish. Now they have to fluke or bassfish in particular inorder to carry any people. All of this sounds very much like the Whiting stories we remember so fondly, except for 1 major difference. Whiting are gone but Blues are still thick. So what happened?
Ill give you my opnions, but they are just that. First and foremost-STRIPERS. I dont understand it but this is what I think is happenening. Stripers have been raised to some iconic level amongst fisherman. Your average weekend warrior and modern day internet fishing-pro look at these fish as if they fight like a Tarpon and taste like a Haddock. In reality they fight like a burlap bag and taste no better or worse then a blue. Is it the notion that they are a fish that requires some type of great skill to catch therefore if you catch one you must be good? I believe this to be true. Every magazine, fishing show, newspaper and advertisement you see focuses on these fish. Look at any inshore charter advertisement, every picture is of someone holding a bass. With their population at historic levels(too many if you ask me) it requires little skill to catch them. I can understand 20 years ago when a guy would put in 50 hours, standing on a jetty, in the dark, in miserable weather to catch one. Now thats different. But getting on a head boat, charter, or private boat, anchoring up and breaking some clams in 15 ft of water and being able to catch all you want; who cares. Basically they are the garbage can of the sea, lazy, good for one decent run, and are at population numbers that stagger the imagination. Yet pick any nite Striper boat and he will out carry the bluefish boats. People lining up with their spider wire filled Avets, Loomis, fluorocarbon leaders tied to some expensive "bleeding" hook waiting to pay 2 bucks for an eel and hoping to go home with 2 fish. Where do I sign up. I guess its just a perception thing. Blues bad/bass good.Does anyone remember we used to catch them on big orange surgical tubing snakes hanging off an umbrella rig. Not very sophisticated. Now I need chartreuse shads, deep diving 20 dollar plugs and a 300 dollar setup. Maybe I can understand the "hope" factor. That on any given nite you may/hope to catch a 60lb fish near the beach. Ok fine. But hey I can do that with Black drum(which fight significantly better by the way) yet they too are the redheaded step child of fish. Nothing compares to the mighty Striped bass for most and I just dont get it.
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I agree with you completely, I remember countless times when I first started working on Party Boats when the Bluefish boat was railed and the bottom fishing boat carried a decent crowd. It was always a guarantee that if you were scheduled to work on the Bluefish boat that you would be sailing on that trip. That fishing is by far one of the most exciting types of trips to work and its sad to see people treat these fish the way that they do thinking that they are terrible tasting.

If there is one thing that I know its that Blue Fishing was the type of trip the put the word "Party" into "Party Boat"

Great Post.
 

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Great post drevil, but I do disagree with you on a few points. I remember when it was night blues on all the boats in Sheepshead Bay - and they were king. But that was only due to the decline of stripers. Before bass populations crashed, they were king. You can find old fishing reports (1800's) in the NY Times & it was all about the bass.

As far as taste, I practically lived on bluefish every summer from 1978 to 1981 - they taste okay. For me though, they aren't even close to striper.

Can you really blame party & charter boats for targeting bass & fluke instead of bluefish? Which trip would you rather clean up after?

As far as fights go, any double-digit chopper will give you a workout, so you gotta love 'em. I'd still rather lean back against any bass over 20 pounds. I only had one drum & the fight was nothing. 61 pounds of drum was like pulling a tire in - boring.

All that aside, I LOVE bluefish. They will eat anything & everything. They are fun on they flyrod, smash the **** out of poppers & kill live bunker like murderous asassins. I sing their praises every time a rod bends over on my boat - even when they are getting in the way of catching bass.

Bluefish had their moment as king, but bass were there before & will continue to have that "iconic" status you referred to. I was walking off the beach one day with a 41.5-inch bluefish that took me 10 minutes to land. The thing followed my popper almost on to the sand, came out of the water and hit the lure from above. THAT was awesome. Anyway, I kept the fish for a local contest and a guy sees me with it & says, "Nice fish - oh....it's just a bluefish." I think that some of that is just bravado - guys trying to sound cool, or trying to diminish someone else's fish.

Great post. I love bluefish - but bass are still king.
 

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Drevil,

Thanks for your post, interesting stuff from the history and fishermans perspective viewpoint.

Would you share your ideas on bluefish handling, ie. the bleeding, filleting, skinning (and cooking ideas)?


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drevil wrote:
Stripers have been raised to some iconic level amongst fisherman. Your average weekend warrior and modern day internet fishing-pro look at these fish as if they fight like a Tarpon and taste like a Haddock.--

LOL. I agree with 85% of your post. I have caught the King Mackeral - the tournament fish of the south and while they get much bigger, a 10 pound blue fights every bit as hard or harder than a king mack of the same size. Small stripers don't compare - 30 pounders do but pound for pound still don't rate too high.

As far as food goes, I don't eat bluefish much - I try to throw them back which can be a problem on party boats but they are a blast to catch especially casting 747s. Stripers are OK to eat - but I'd rather eat almost any bottom fish and tuna than a striper any day.
 

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Bluefish get a bad wrap for the way they taste. If you take care of the fish from the moment you catch it, the end result is a fish that tastes good. Bleed it and ice it and you have filets that taste good.
Leave it sitting in a pail all day or laying on the beach, then you have cat food by the time you get home.
 

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drevil wrote:
Basically they are... good for one decent run, ... People lining up with their spider wire filled Avets, Loomis, fluorocarbon leaders tied to some expensive "bleeding" hook waiting to pay 2 bucks for an eel and hoping to go home with 2 fish. Where do I sign up. I guess its just a perception thing. Blues bad/bass good.Does anyone remember we used to catch them on big orange surgical tubing snakes hanging off an umbrella rig. Not very sophisticated. Now I need chartreuse shads, deep diving 20 dollar plugs and a 300 dollar setup. Maybe I can understand the "hope" factor.

My favorite is guys who charter expensive guides to only fish for stripers on custom outfits off Martha's Vineyard. I can go on tuna trips to the canyons or 3 day bottom fishing trips to Cashes Ledge for less than they pay for an afternoon of striped bass fishing. And I can buy a 50W setup for the same price they pay for a fly rod and reel.
 

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Soft & Lazy Fishermen

Bluefish fight hard and require work and effort to land.
Angler might actually break a sweat or get tired from the effort.

Bass are gentlemen fish, they take one, maybe two short runs,
then come right to the boat.
No sweating for the angler and they are not tired or worn out after a couple of fish.

Fishermen today are soft,
one of the reasons Bass became so popular with the new generation of fishermen
 

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My first night bluefish trip was in SHB. We parked the car and every night boat was railed. The Amberjack, this was the old ASR Amber, was a fluke boat and he baited the boat and railed with the overflow.
Remember those nights when you could see the glow of the fleet on 17 practically from Rockaway Jetty and the Patchogue Grounds fleet from the top of the sand dunes at FINS.
Bluefish probably brought in more money for captains & crew than any other, especially when you went to jigs and didn't need the one side drift fishing.
 

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I never really gave it much thoought but you guys are right. When I started fishing in the mid 90's I remember a few bluefish boats leaving from the Freeport, Pt Lookout area. I recall the Starstream, SuperSpray, Miss Point Lookout and a couple other boats all making daily or nightly bluefish trips, and all of which carried quite a bit of people. Why did this fishing decline ? Bluefish stocks are solid so why do people not like bluefishing anymore.

I agree with the fact they don't taste any worse then Stripers, as a matter of fact smoked they taste even better then Stripers. Take care of the catch, filet and cook and its a good eating, certainly a helluva lot better then farm raised Tilapia.

Fishing from partyboats I have some of my best drunk patron stories on bluefish trips. I also remember once in September fishing on the Starstream and after getting bored with bait fishing I took out a diamond jig and started catching Albies which the one of the mates took from me and stored in the exatics box up foward (as at this time of year the Streamer started making its Canyon Tuna trips) so he can use for Shark fishing. Then while jigging something almost pulled the rod out of my hands and started running, my Penn 309 was sizzling and there was nothing I could do to stop the 30 pound pink Ande from evaporating from my reel. After about 30 seconds I got spooled despite locking down the drag, the Mate said it might have been a big inshore bluefin. Good times.
 

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I agree that blues fight harder then bass pound for pound...But people forget that a 15 pound bluefish is a FULL adult bluefish...A 15 pound bass is a juvenile fish...Not a fair comparison to rate a teenager to a fully grown adult.

BUT u cant catch a 30, 40, 50 or 60 pound bluefish...

And NO bluefish fights as hard as a 30+ pound bass, especially from surf.

From surf, BASS fight harder then BLUES by far...From Boat, no bluefish compares to a 30+ pound bass.

Thats the difference in my eyes...Blues are limited by their size...BASS are KING because of the great sizes that they can reach...

The chance to catch cows; both from boat and beach...

Other then that, Blues are fun as **** to catch with lures, poppers and other artificials


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algreek3 wrote:
I agree that blues fight harder then bass pound for pound...a 15 pound bluefish is a FULL adult bluefish...A 15 pound bass is a juvenile fish...Not a fair comparison... BUT u cant catch a 30, 40, 50 or 60 pound bluefish...

I agree with the big fish allure of stripers... the chance to get a really big one is the one advantage striper fishing has. But, let's face it - there are many including a local outdoor writer in NJ who must write 10 articles a year gushing about catching school stripers from his boat. A 5 pound blue outfights a 10 striper and neither is full grown.
 

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Great post drevil, but I do disagree with you on a few points. I remember when it was night blues on all the boats in Sheepshead Bay - and they were king. But that was only due to the decline of stripers. Before bass populations crashed, they were king. You can find old fishing reports (1800's) in the NY Times & it was all about the bass.

Bass were king for the fertilizer factories and farm feed manufacturers back in the early 1900's. Train box car after boxcar were shipped from the the Toms River for just this purpose as the were not deemed worthy of human consumption(same with giant bluefins). Not too regal. During this time bluefish were nearly non-existant for years. Pound netters often got a higher price for them then anyother fish.

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Can you really blame party & charter boats for targeting bass & fluke instead of bluefish? Which trip would you rather clean up after?I cant blame them at all. I would do the same. Follow the money. If todays internet bass pro snobs all of a sudden wanted to catch dogfish I would take them. As far as scrubbing a boat, I would gladly clean after a blood and guts bluefish trip. The hardest part is lugging around my pockets overflowing with $10's and $20's.


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Anyway, I kept the fish for a local contest and a guy sees me with it & says, "Nice fish - oh....it's just a bluefish." I think that some of that is just bravado - guys trying to sound cool, or trying to diminish someone else's fish.
EXACTLY my point

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Would you share your ideas on bluefish handling, ie. the bleeding, filleting, skinning (and cooking ideas)?

Oldmil, the key to bluefish is no different then anyother fish that I plan to keep for the table. First, BRINE. Alot of ice, a little water , and a generous helping of Kosher salt. Mix thoroughly. Second, Bleed them. Simple throat slit will do. I bleed everyfish I catch except fluke and seabass. Probably wouldnt be a bad idea to do them too. Third, fillet the fish as you always do. Fourth and most importantly, when you skin a bluefish bring the knife a quarter inch or so up off the skin. You want to leave a layer of meat on the skin. Now flip over the skinned fillet and low and behold you will see a bloodline. Right down the middle will be a dark red line, not the red mottled color covering the whole fillet you see when you take all the meat from the skin. Simply cut it out like a tuna. You now have nothing but white meat. For those who have never tried it you can thank me later.

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Fishermen today are soft,
one of the reasons Bass became so popular with the new generation of fishermen
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And NO bluefish fights as hard as a 30+ pound bass, especially from surf
A 30lb bass tied to a 15lb bluefish will see his world in reverse as he gets towed across the ocean. I cant speak about surf fishing as it is not my thing. You guys that do it, god bless ya, you deserve every fish you catch. But a 30 lb bass from a boat can be summed up like this. 1 short run, dead weight, 1 shorter run, followed by coming to the surface and laying over. They all do it. Yawn.
 

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drevil, you beat me to the description of a bass fight from a boat !

Working charters at the Gut from Orient, client would hook up on the drift, if the line came right to the surface you knew bass and it was just crank and net. If the line stayed down you knew bluefish and the gatots their beat the customers up.

As far as surf fishing, considering a striper of 30# is like mid-life, consider a mid-life 15# bluefish with no place to go but offshore or down the beach, I'd be hard pressed to believe a bass cruising the surface fights harder than a bluefish under the same conditions.
 

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Algreek, I've caught 30 pound bass and I will tell you that a 15lb bluefish fights just as hard or harder then a 30lb bass. As others have stated the bass usually has one solid run and then kaput, its like dragging a boot to the boat. Blues on the other hand keep fighting, even while in the boat they will try their hardest to take a chunk outta you.

Hey I just figured another theory, maybe people are afraid of bluefish because of their teeth
lol

Hey maybe we can exchange some good recipies for bluefish on this thread. I like having mine smoked, but I've also cooked them on the BBQ, basically putting fillets in some tin foil shaped like a "box or tent" and grilling for about 10-15 minutes. I'm not a culinary artist some I'm curious to hear of some other recipies.
 

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The 18 lb November Slob Bluefish I caught in 1996 at Cholera DESTROYED the 44 lb bass that I caught 3 Nights later by 9 buoy at Fire Island. There wasn't even a glimer of comparison betwixt the 2, the Bass, while putting up a steady powerful fight, had it's will broken MUCH easier than the Yellow eyed demon. That Bluefish fought with a warriors spirit, pulling yard after yard from my 344 Newell. We actuallly thought I had a little Mako until the fish broke water in the lights. The Bluefish greyhounded out in the dark, tailwalking like a sailfish, then ran staight down to the bottom and away from the boat head shaking all the while. It was awesome. I hope who ever ate a piece of that fish at Peter Pan Diner enjoyed it....
 
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