[624421]

Hello all,
Looking for some advice on a rod I'm building. I'm putting together an 11' conventional (s-glass) surf rod which will be matched with a Abu 7000. I'm looking to throw 2 to 4oz plugs and maybe an eel or two. My question regards the guide sizes. I built a 10ft rod last year with the first guide about 3ft from the reel being a fuji #25. Next one up being the same and the remaining 3 being #15 and a #10 tip. Seemed to work fine. My problem is I'm wondering if I should be going bigger with the guide closer to the reel? The more I look around I'm seeing conventional rods that look a little more like a spinning rods as far as size. I'm ok with figuring guide placement just a little concerned about sizes. Any help would be great.
Merry Christmas!

 

[Captneilf]

NoEQL

Hi Hank,

Don't choke when you read this!

I would use BNLG guides by Fuji and the line up would be 20, 16, 12, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10. Static deflection would tell me if I needed 1 more guide or 1 less.

This is for a conventional reel/rod setup.

 

[624421]

Holy Crap!
My thinking was to use as little as possible to save weight and hardware,reduce resistance while still not having any flat spots and contact with the rod at a full (within reason) bend?
OK I'll go with your advice...you da man...still think it'll look like a downrigger rod! d^)

Thanks again Capt.

 

[Captneilf]

NoEQL

Hi Hank,

Think about this. On a conventional reel the line comes straight off the reel and goes right thru the guides. You don't have the cone effect like a spin reel generates.

After you static deflect for guide location tape the guiides in place real good, put your reel on and test cast at the beach or a field.

If I can be of help please ask. If you nedd static deflection help stop by.

The amout of # 10 guides will depend upon how the blank flexes. Wanna do a spiral wrap on it? Will cast like a dream and fight fish wqith gusto and also take tension off the blank and all the components. I would be very happy to help you with that also.

As a RodCrafter member our goal is to teach.

 

[sam843]

I have a lami GBS1322M that I built
I used Pacific Bay LCNCG gudes
16,12,12,12,12,10,10,10,8,8,8
It looks like alot of guides but they are small and wight less than fewer bigger guides and the line follows the bend of the blank low without any flat spots or touching the blank
I use a Trinidad 14 filled with 50lbs Power Pro and I can almost empty the spool on a good heave using an 6oz sinker.
Since I built the rod for the Trinidad I used a #16 as the biggest But if you to use a bigger reel like a squider etc I would use a #20 as your largest guide as not to choke the line as It comes off the spool
As for the Spiral Wrap I havn't tried it but I here goods things about it.
Capt N. is the expert in the spiral wrap department.

 

[624421]

Thanks again for the input guys. Open for all suggestions. I'm a little confused with "spiral wrap"? What exactly are you referring to? Don't want to sound stupid but I'm just starting out here. Having a hard time understanding how a decorative wrap will help me cast? You MUST mean something else? Would it be better for me to call you or keep posting here for input?
I don't want to pick your brain too much without paying you for the hard earned knowledge. Wouldn't be fair.
I hope to get started on this thing tomorrow.

Thanks again guys

 

[Captneilf]

NoEQL

Hi Hank,

Fire away! That's how you learn. Never hesitate. Sometimes it is easier to describe over the phone rather than type.

Spiral wrap is a method of positioning the guides on a blank. It is about 90 years old but has become very popular recently due to the internet. You have to see it to believe it.

Guides on top af a blank generate torque that makes the rod twist. This creates stress on the blank, especially the tip area, guides, reel seat and your hand.

On a spiral wrapped rod, the guide in front of the reel is on top, the next 3 or 4 guides spiral from top of rod to bottom and the remaining guides are on botton of rod. We are talking conventional rod.

I have a rod wrapped with 2 sets of guides on it, conventional and spiral, to demonstrate this effect. I will have it with me at the Freeport Show and maybe I should bring it with me to the Winter Bash.
If even in the Sayville area call up and stop by to see this rod. Several of my demp/loaner rods are spiral wrapped.

Please feel free to call.

 

[624421]

Hmmmm? Well thats certainly unusual!
Thinking about it after you mentioned it in the last post I realized thats what you must have ment but had to read it for myself. Not traditional but it does sound like a cool concept. I'd have to see that before I tried it. One thing for sure,I'd be the only one on the beach with it! How long before someone tells me "Hey stupid! Your two piece rod is loose!"
Thats not going to compromise casting distance huh? I'll take your word for it. I work in Bohemia so I'll give you a ring when I'm ready and stop by your shop to see it, unless I can catch up with you at the show first!
Thanks again Cap.

 

[Captneilf]

NoEQL

Hi,

Glad to hear you will stop by.

You should see the guys at a show pick up one on my spiral wrapped rods, look at it funny and then try to straighten it out thinking it is a 2 pc rod.