[WaterAye]

Anyone have any common sense recreational bag limits to propose?

Heres two of mine.

Each angler is allowed six feet of fluke, coast wide. Line em up nose to tail.

or

How about 1 five gallon spackle bucket of fish per angler any species coast wide.

 

[628852]

How about this

The powers that be COULD CARE LESS WHAT WE THINK

All those years Paul Forsberg, Tom Marconi, Al Lindworth, Mike Scarpetti, Al Coley and MANY others fought tooth and nail for the recreational fisherman the Feds and everyone else in the know told us to go S**EW.

 

[WaterAye]

I have no delusions of any fast changes. I saw what you saw, but I was on the other team. Change will only come from layers and politicians, I expect nothing from fisheries managers and I won't be disappointed.

On the other side of the coin it behooves us, the users, to come up with workable plans which can save fish and fisherman alike.

What are your common sense ideas?

 

[MakoMike]

The problem with any season long limit is enforcement. How does an clam cop know what you've taken in the days or weeks before he stops you? The only workable way I can see to do it is to issue tags, like many states do with game animals. You get so many tags and have to tag each fish, Make them only usable once, and when you're done, that's it.

 

[614682]

regs

I always thought some sort of a season quota per angler - but thats impossible to enforce. When I fish a lot there aint no way I could ever eat all that I catch. most of it is quickly released. Other guys take everything to feed the neighborhood or sell out of the back of their trucks.

Stricter limits hurt the guy who only fishes a couple times a year and maybe has to travel far to book a trip etc. But even the limits that are contemplated now have no impact on the regualr who will probably fish anyway and always has fressh fillet of something.

The 5 gallon bucket reg who sure get the offfshore guys peeved

(By the way, do regs specify a day limit or a trip limit? Lotta guys go out for an AM limit and then try to match that on an afternoon trip)

 

[loligo]

WaterAye wrote:

How about 1 five gallon spackle bucket of fish per angler any species coast wide.

Great idea- simple possession limits, I like it.

 

[MakoMike]

John_ny1 wrote:
I always thought some sort of a season quota per angler - but thats impossible to enforce. When I fish a lot there aint no way I could ever eat all that I catch. most of it is quickly released. Other guys take everything to feed the neighborhood or sell out of the back of their trucks.

Stricter limits hurt the guy who only fishes a couple times a year and maybe has to travel far to book a trip etc. But even the limits that are contemplated now have no impact on the regualr who will probably fish anyway and always has fressh fillet of something.

The 5 gallon bucket reg who sure get the offfshore guys peeved

(By the way, do regs specify a day limit or a trip limit? Lotta guys go out for an AM limit and then try to match that on an afternoon trip)

Most recreational limts are daily limits. Even most commercial limits are daily limits, at least in RI. In RI you can only land a commercial trip limit once a day.

 

[HungryJack]

"Common sense isn't so Common"

5 gallon bucket of Fluke limits would take us over our coast wide quota in about 2 weeks.

How would a fisherman who finally caught his 50 lb trophy striped bass after 20+ years of fishing effort,
be able to fit it into his 5 gallon pail ?

6 feet of Fluke would NEVER work.
That would require MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS, ADDITION,
which the average person is unable to accomplish accurately without the help of an electronic device today.
Besides, less than half the people in the county know there are 12 inches in a foot according to a recent survey taken.

 

[loligo]

HungryJack wrote:

5 gallon bucket of Fluke limits would take us over our coast wide quota in about 2 weeks.

How would a fisherman who finally caught his 50 lb trophy striped bass after 20+ years of fishing effort,
be able to fit it into his 5 gallon pail ?

sawzall?

 

[Mungo]

I vote for a 5 gallon bucket of fillets.

 

[BountyHunter]

16 inch blackfish would be a good start

 

[outrageous21]

Im not to fond of the bucket idea, Im sure someone would find a way to fit 30 12inch fluke in a bucket.

I think a slot limit would work best 3 fish per person 17.5-18.5in and 1 fish over 27inches. The slot limit should be designed for fish to have a chance to reproduce at least once and also give an angler a chance to keep his doormat.

Did not do any research for my slot numbers just an estimation/example, so dont shoot me.

 

[WaterAye]

MakoMike wrote:
How does an clam cop know what you've taken in the days or weeks before he stops you?

Make the limits possesion limits which can't exceed...i.e. two daily limits.

John_NY1 wrote:
(By the way, do regs specify a day limit or a trip limit? Lotta guys go out for an AM limit and then try to match that on an afternoon trip)

Yes the regs do specify a daily limit. If a recreational angler or commercial fishermen does what you mention they are in violation. The exception is the party and charter vessels. Who if they are lucky enough to have a morning and afternoon trip may do as you suggest.

Hungry Jack wrote:
"Common sense isn't so Common"


5 gallon bucket of Fluke limits would take us over our coast wide quota in about 2 weeks.

How would a fisherman who finally caught his 50 lb trophy striped bass after 20+ years of fishing effort,
be able to fit it into his 5 gallon pail ?

6 feet of Fluke would NEVER work.
That would require MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS, ADDITION,
which the average person is unable to accomplish accurately without the help of an electronic device today.
Besides, less than half the people in the county know there are 12 inches in a foot according to a recent survey taken.

I think common sense is more common then you think. When I tell folks who aren't even fishermen about todays fisheries regulations and the amount of fish killed and wasted in the name of conservation they are appalled, just like us.

The five gallon bucket was just a notion I through out to try and get folks thinking outside the box. Obviously I would not deny any angler his trophy and this could be where Makomike's tag program comes into play. Same with the six feet of fluke. How about seven six packs in length. I don't have the answers I'm just looking for ideas which may in the end help restore some sense in fisheries management. How many fluke are coming off the quotas as discards? Let turn them into landings and reduce the waste. The **** w/ the crabs and sea lice.

Lilligo wrote:
sawzall?Toungue
Now that is funny! Thanks for that one.

BountyHunter wrote:
16inch blackfish would be a good start
Do you want that coast wide? Is that why you suggest moving to that size or is it for biological reasons?

I think a slot limit would work best 3 fish per person 17.5-18.5in and 1 fish over 27inches. The slot limit should be designed for fish to have a chance to reproduce at least once and also give an angler a chance to keep his doormat. Outragous21 wrote:


Now there is some great common sense! Thank you Outragous21. Slot limits make a great deal of sense and I often wonder why they are not used more often. I was told it was the difficulty of enforcement. I can't tell you how many times that weak excuse is used. Frankly I'm sick of hearing it.

 

[HungryJack]

WaterAye wrote:
I don't have the answers I'm just looking for ideas which may in the end help restore some sense in fisheries management.
You're looking for some kind of magic solution to personal bag limits,
which will never happen through common sense.

An example of common sense to fix many problems in this fishery,
would be to REDUCE EFFORT.

Obviously, that is not something anybody really wants who is involved in the fisheries business, rec or commercial.
So common sense is avoided, and short term solutions that benefit the individual are what we seek,
not something that will aid in the management of the fishery.

As I said before,
COMMON SENSE AIN'T SO COMMON
been true since the beginning of time,
and with the poor education system in this country,
its guaranteed well in the future.

 

[MickieBelle]

Poor education system; wanna laugh...

had a college senior finance major in my class who didn't know how to multiply 13,000 miles by 48 cents a mile.

Not really funny; feel bad for the folks who spent all that hard-earned dough on a college education for their kid.

 

[PtJudeRI]

Tags....

Unfortunately, with the way that fisheries are being managed right now, there really is no easy answer. The $$$ isn't there for enforcement, the system is broken (at best) and there is a minority of slobs and ignorant fisherman that give everyone who cares about management a black eye. So far, the bucket idea will fall flat on its face in my opinion.... (think about how many fluke fillets you can get into a 5 gal. pail.. Honestly... and there is no size control.) I would have to say, that for a recreational situation, one of the tougher and more ironclad approaches would be to have a tag system similar to turkeys and deer. Boo and hiss at me all you want. Stiff fines for untagged fish, $$ to buy tags (what, you think the state would just give em away??) earmarked for a SPECIFIC fisheries fund and not $$ put back into a general fund (we will never see our share again). True, this would not be a logistically sound plan on smaller species, but it could start with pelagics and sharks.... I am not saying I have all the answers, but I will say that I am willing to work to finding an acceptable compromise for the betterment of the fishery.

Ryan

 

[WaterAye]

PtJude Ryan wrote:
I am not saying I have all the answers, but I will say that I am willing to work to finding an acceptable compromise for the betterment of the fishery.

I'm with you Ryan. I don't have the answers either but I am willing to try and come up with some.

Pt.JudeRI wrote:
So far, the bucket idea will fall flat on its face in my opinion.... (think about how many fluke fillets you can get into a 5 gal. pail.. Honestly... and there is no size control.)

The bucket idea was for whole fish, not fillets. I got the idea originally from a dragger captain who felt it was wrong what managers were doing to recreational fishermen. He felt especially sorry for kids and shore bound anglers who would have a much harder time catching a fish big enough to legally keep.

By the way, I grew up in RI and "wasted" my summers fishing off the docks in Pt. Judith and Wickford. Great places!

 

[LooneyTunes]

WaterAye wrote:
Anyone have any common sense recreational bag limits to propose?

Heres two of mine.

Each angler is allowed six feet of fluke, coast wide. Line em up nose to tail.

or

How about 1 five gallon spackle bucket of fish per angler any species coast wide.

Each angler allowed six feet of fluke? Yeah! My fluke season will be over in two - three trips. But then again with the fluke regs for 2008 it would take me seven trips. A commercial guy will limit out within a day or two also.

I say New York should do like New Jersey. Make our own rules. and let the ASMFC continue to threaten.

We need much better science to try to assess stocks. AND the BS of using boat registrations to guess how many fish are caught has to go to. New York has over 500,000 boats registered. They are not all registered on Long Island. New York has huge lakes like Lake George and Lake Champlaign.

Don't panic. There were three guys on the boat!

 

[fish4me]

You need to impose limits that can be controlled. Too much greed.

How many of us years ago can remember saying or hearing "we caught buckets full". Did you really need a bucket full or would 4 or 5 been enough?

Daily limits of X works for now. Soon it will all be catch and release, if there is anything left to C&R.

This post edited by fish4me 08:48 AM 02/13/2008

 

[obtuseangler]

Six feet of fluke works for me, although it may be hard to stack them up that high