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Commercials are taking all the flounder ? period!

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I have read a lot recently on the condition and fate of winter flounder in our waters, and I agree with most of it. But no one will ever convince me that this is a recreational problem or that we should be the ones to take the brunt of severe measures to bring them back. Especially when you consider that we are currently fishing at about 26.5% of what we were back in 1990, while the commercial are about 50% over what they were the same year.

In 1990 recreational anglers in NY State took, 1,106,590 ? pounds of winter flounder while at the same time the commercial fishery took just 640,445 ? pounds, basically giving us about 65% of the catch. It is actually higher than that if you average from 1980-1990, but I didn?t want to go back too far and make this seem like ancient history.

Then just 10-years later in the year 2000 things made quite a turnaround! Commercials took 960,122 ? pounds while recreational anglers took a mere 293,472 pounds! That?s right we?re fishing at 26.5% of what we were in 1990 and the commercials are fishing at 150% of what they had in 1990. And people want to know where all the flounder are going? It?s not the cormorants or the seals or the bass, it?s the inshore and offshore draggers. They?ve gotten so good at what they do that they are now catching the flounder we use to catch before they even get in the bay. And those that they miss, they get them when the flounder head out to sea in the fall.

The numbers don?t lye and they speak for themselves, the problem with this fishery is the commercials and unless we do something to address it they will be the only ones catching them. I?d be the first one to say close it down for everybody, but the fact is we aren?t putting a nick in this fishery.

The series of events that led to this commercialization of the winter flounder have been played out over and over again. We need a commercial moratorium, just like we did when we needed to bring back the bass, but the truth is we will never see one. Do you know why? It?s simple, because the commercials are catching more today than they were before, so to them there really isn?t a problem.

Think about it, ? in those ten years we took recreational anglers from no-bag limit and no season ? I can still remember fishing on some January and February days for flounder ? to what is now essentially a 4- month season with minimum sizes and bag limits. While at the same time doing nothing to curtail the commercial catch.

So please folk?s don?t let anyone fool you, if you took every single recreational angler out of this fishery it would do nothing more than allow for more fish to be caught in the commercial fishery. Just as it has over the past decade.

Hook and Line Only!
George R. Scocca
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I agree with MakoMike, and all the other responders about the plight of the winter flounder and for that matter all the fish. However, there are supposed to be regs. in place to control the vampires. I call them vampires because I have presonally seen on several occassions, draggers from Sheepshead Bay, Gerrisen Beach and Mill Basin dragging the beaches at night. Cowards. Last year I was fishing for bass off Manhattem Beach & Coney Island at 11pm. I saw and recognized one boat from Gerritsen Beach with her nets out. They were no more them 200 yards off the beach. I being the brave one approached the boat and questioned them. All I got was a revolver in my face and a warning. I radioed the Marine Police and the Caost Guard. Niehter was interested even with the mention of the gun. I stayed another hour and so did he. When I left he was still there and I saw two more boats heading for their nightly raids.

The problem is the draggers but, what about enforcement of the laws. It seams the DEC are only interested in enoying rec. anglers fishing legally. NO PAPER WORK INVOLVED IN HARASSING RECS.

The head boats are afraid to report the bastards, for fear of having their boats tourched. What can we do except to continue to press, law enforcers not law makers.

Of course you all know where they get alot of there information, US! when we post reports. Not a critisism, just fact.

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