Ceramic bearing for reels good or bad
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Probably not, I can get class 7 sst bearings for the 113h for about $3.50 each in bulk, thats probably 10 times cheaper than the ceramic(guess). Also the races in a ceramic bearing would still be steel and would still have corrosion potential. Maybe if you are a distance caster and run your bearings dry or nearly dry they may be worth it.
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I have no idea of the cost for an upgrade but I'm willing to bet they are quieter,smoother and tranfer heat better than the common bearing.Suzuki has been making cermamic pistons now for a few years and they hold up fine to the high heat in the cylinders.
Are they necessary? Thats all up to the individual who has the reel.Alot of guys today are into tweaking their reels out with solid one piece frames, high speed bearings,non stop freespools and increased drag settings,for me I use them as is right out of the box.
paulie
Are they necessary? Thats all up to the individual who has the reel.Alot of guys today are into tweaking their reels out with solid one piece frames, high speed bearings,non stop freespools and increased drag settings,for me I use them as is right out of the box.
paulie
Reel bearings
The use of ceramic bearings is unnessary.For spool bearings you can use an Abec grade 7 degreased and oiled with the kind of lube they sell in Modells for rollerblades.You do not want to use 7's on other parts of the reel 5's are fine and they should be greased or a combo of oil and grease mixed together.The 7's are a very tight tolerence and just a little foreign matter will bind them up.In the spool they are usually well protected from dirt by virtue of their location.
I will get into this a little deeper at the bash.
T.T.
The use of ceramic bearings is unnessary.For spool bearings you can use an Abec grade 7 degreased and oiled with the kind of lube they sell in Modells for rollerblades.You do not want to use 7's on other parts of the reel 5's are fine and they should be greased or a combo of oil and grease mixed together.The 7's are a very tight tolerence and just a little foreign matter will bind them up.In the spool they are usually well protected from dirt by virtue of their location.
I will get into this a little deeper at the bash.
T.T.
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Hi Chris I read your post above and am intrested totally about the bearing response. We have been using a custom made bearing which i won't metion here and find it to last forever under heat, with no lubrication ever! i had Ec put them in my Newells and they are incredible.they are not ceramic. but will discuss this at the bash also. Was just curious as to your opinion on these. I find that stainless bearings will wear and as well also make noise. This is unherd of with the new bearings we have been using
So I know you know your stuff just a comment on them. Love to hear the other side of the story
Hi Chris I read your post above and am intrested totally about the bearing response. We have been using a custom made bearing which i won't metion here and find it to last forever under heat, with no lubrication ever! i had Ec put them in my Newells and they are incredible.they are not ceramic. but will discuss this at the bash also. Was just curious as to your opinion on these. I find that stainless bearings will wear and as well also make noise. This is unherd of with the new bearings we have been using
So I know you know your stuff just a comment on them. Love to hear the other side of the story
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Ceramic > SS
ceramic ball bearings are the best. i skateboard (longboard, actually) and speed and smoothness are very important to me. i use the board for transportation, not tricks. i switched to ceramic ball bearings about 2 years ago and they are significantly faster and smoother than the old swiss or german SS ball bearings, and less likely to dent or bend, however they may instead crack. i use swiss brand ceramics. i bought 1 set of 8 for $119.00 and have only had to replace 1 bearing so far. i'd wondered whether any company makes reels with ceramic bearings, or if you can switch them out. i think it would be worth it.
ceramic ball bearings are the best. i skateboard (longboard, actually) and speed and smoothness are very important to me. i use the board for transportation, not tricks. i switched to ceramic ball bearings about 2 years ago and they are significantly faster and smoother than the old swiss or german SS ball bearings, and less likely to dent or bend, however they may instead crack. i use swiss brand ceramics. i bought 1 set of 8 for $119.00 and have only had to replace 1 bearing so far. i'd wondered whether any company makes reels with ceramic bearings, or if you can switch them out. i think it would be worth it.
Ceramic bearings
I agree with T.T's earlier post that ceramic isn't necessary. Yes, it is harder and smoother, but the added cost doesn't justify the minimal benefit that you may recieve.
Stainless steel bearings with ceramic balls are manufactured by several companies and are more for high-load/high-speed use. They are smoother running. The spool on a reel will reach a few thousand rpm's at best. This is pretty slow for most precision bearings. When casting there is little load on the spool. When cranking there is more load on the bearings but you probably still wouldn't notice the difference. (Tie into a large sailfish or black marlin and they will show you what a "fast spool" really means.)
For casting, you'll get more benefit from a lightened spool than from ceramic bearings. Easy to start spinning and easy to stop spinning.
Where ceramic really shines is corrosion resistance, temperature resistance, and ultra-high rpm's (like 60,000).
For live bait fishing you want the super duper, spin for an hour spool. The duration of the spin is decieving because your little bait fish is dragging the hook, line and turning the spool. The baitfish doesn't care if the spool spins for 12 hours - he cares how easy it is to pull the line off the spool. Baitfish aren't known for their horsepower, so you've got to help them out. The hook and line are pretty limited by what they are, but the reel can be tweaked to no end.
A spool that is "easier to turn" is determined by several factors such as:
1. the resistance of the bearings to rotation
2. the weight of the spool with line
3. the diameter of the spooled line at the point where it comes off the spool.
The bearings are the easiest to experiment with but they can only do their part.
I agree with T.T's earlier post that ceramic isn't necessary. Yes, it is harder and smoother, but the added cost doesn't justify the minimal benefit that you may recieve.
Stainless steel bearings with ceramic balls are manufactured by several companies and are more for high-load/high-speed use. They are smoother running. The spool on a reel will reach a few thousand rpm's at best. This is pretty slow for most precision bearings. When casting there is little load on the spool. When cranking there is more load on the bearings but you probably still wouldn't notice the difference. (Tie into a large sailfish or black marlin and they will show you what a "fast spool" really means.)
For casting, you'll get more benefit from a lightened spool than from ceramic bearings. Easy to start spinning and easy to stop spinning.
Where ceramic really shines is corrosion resistance, temperature resistance, and ultra-high rpm's (like 60,000).
For live bait fishing you want the super duper, spin for an hour spool. The duration of the spin is decieving because your little bait fish is dragging the hook, line and turning the spool. The baitfish doesn't care if the spool spins for 12 hours - he cares how easy it is to pull the line off the spool. Baitfish aren't known for their horsepower, so you've got to help them out. The hook and line are pretty limited by what they are, but the reel can be tweaked to no end.
A spool that is "easier to turn" is determined by several factors such as:
1. the resistance of the bearings to rotation
2. the weight of the spool with line
3. the diameter of the spooled line at the point where it comes off the spool.
The bearings are the easiest to experiment with but they can only do their part.
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